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I'm about to buy a lexicon lxp-1.
Has someone experience with that unit in D-style amps?
Since it has in- and output controls i guess a D'lator is not necessarily needed? Can you confirm that?

Thanks in advance!  :)

Hi Thilo
No not really, you can get by without it.

In the early days of having my amp I ran a Visual Sounds H2O through the loop without a D'Lator, it sounded OK.

But a D'Lator does add more Dumble'ish tone to the amp and the effects have more of a 3D Quality / Depth to the sound, it's worth getting one just for that.

Cheers
Brian

Totally agree about 3D and small (but important) compression that the D'later adds to the sounds.

, I've spent 3 years building AND tweaking 4 dumble clones (#102, Bluesmaster, HRM, OTS50) only to realise that you need the dumblelator with 180-200p cables to/from the amp in order to get the tones right.

You can tweak forever, but the dumblelator is an essential part of the system....even if you don't use effects in the loop.

Completely agree.  I have spent the last 3 years tweaking my original OTS50 through different circuits, ending up with "Ojai" (#102) specs.  The D-lator with 200pf cables is integral to my sound (which does not sound like RF or LC or anyone else, just helps with the shaping of the chewy tone I look for).

What is the cheapest way for a D'lator? (I live in Germany)
The Klein? Or is the C-lator a lot better?

If you are going to use the LXP-1, check out Kimock.

Sorry if this is a newb question but what do you guys mean by 100-200p cables?

Thanks in advance!

They are cables that measure between 100pf & 200pf in capacitance.  Mine are made from teflon cabling & Switchcraft ends.  I ordered from Glaswerks in AZ, Gary's a great guy (his SODII amp is on my wishlist!).  Good luck!

The cables have capacitance which will manipulate highs depending on how much PF they are.




IMO the C-lator is more high def sounding than the Klein. The Klein has less headroom also.

Wow ok! Thanks Bob and Bold!

Agree with bold about the klein, It only for home practice levels, if I get my master vol above 3 (9 o'clock) it starts to clip and sound bad.

Go for a C-later, you won't look back

i just watched the demo marin made about the c-lator. i have to say i liked the sound without the c-lator better. Brighter and more bite. Was like a blanket before the speaker with the c-lator. Is this what it does to the sound or is it just a preferred setting of marin?

The only way to get the experience of a c-lator is to plug it in and hear it for yourself. I can say that it changes the whole response of the amp in a good way. It adds a slight compression, a 3D effect, and gives you the ability to crank your masters on the amp and use the Level control to turn down the overall volume. If your using time based effects then a Dumbleator type device is a must IMO.

Where is your dumbleator? (C-lator) somebody asked Larry Carlton.
Oh this piece of shit! Replied Larry and I totally agree, not because that Larry said so but because it really changes the tone of the good amp for worse, unless it’s a parallel one.
Probably it makes an average amp sound bit better.  ;)
I’ve tried three of them. Two made by bludotone end one by C which is very similar to bludo.
Get the parallel one or go for Suhr mini mix, fuchs Tube FX loop or Verbrator.

I can't live without this piece of shit; you have to make your amp a little brighter(master bright cap). It should be fine then.

Hi Pick,

I've posted a parallel mod on ampgarage: http://ampgarage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13576 which you might like, if you prefer the brighter and harder tone.

However, I prefer the normal ' piece of shit' operation in series mode :-)  Its like i a studio - where you put guitar and bass through an LA2 tube compressor and it'll sound larger than life. IMO. In my opinion the Dumblelator is mandatory, if you want smooth Robben Ford tones out of these amps.

Pickmaster, you are able to get great tones without the D-lator, but thats due to your skills and not so much the gear, IMHO. ;-)

I actually liked Larry's tones much better back in mid 80s when he used the 'piece of shit' and he changed guitar to a vally arts strat, check out the clips on youtube.

At ampgarage people (Ayan and Dogears) claim taht larry carlton has 'lost' his tone - Dumblelator missing???  ;)


"Piece-of-shit" tone  :):

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mffJZ2WR42o&feature=related
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwGHaKbnoL8&feature=related

New - no "Piece-of-shit"      ???

http://mr335.tv/?channel=performances&videofile=mr335/performances/lcbn7

Your choice  8)

Hey fellows, I’m just kiddn’ ya.  ;D
Just stirring a shit little bit to make forum more alive, looking who’s gonna throw stones at me :P.
Probably I’ve got TAG’s syndrome. Not surprising, spending to much time on the amp garage forum.
Yes C-lator is OK, just make sure you have good nonmicrophonic tube.

Erwin,  I have 68 – 0 – 120pf  caps with a three way toggle on the master pot my man. ;)

Be cool   8) guys, laugh a lot – good for the health.
Cheers

Gotcha  8)

actually i was never looking for that Robben Ford tone  ;D
I'm looking for a really open and clear sound.
(I'm playing mostly blues in the style of SRV, JM Trio, etc.)

Maybe it'd be better if you know my setup:

Strat/ES-335 -> modded Crybaby -> Baja tech Das Fuzz -> Barber LTD -> Ollmann Tube Blaster (german boutique tube booster) -> Amp Input(OTS S&M) -> LXP-1 Stereo outputs to a) -> OTS return (Speaker: G12-65 heritage)
                         b) -> an old Echolette Leslie (it's pretty bright)

When John Mayer had his ODS in his rig he was using a D-lator with both his 100w EL34 HRM Dumble Overdrive Special & 100w Two Rock Sterling Signature

 This is his grail tone if he ever had one :) IMO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2u6XGDjGAY