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« on: September 02, 2009, 11:01:13 AM »
Hi Guys

Like most of us I'm constantly thinking about my guitar sound. I have a few days of and I was a/b testing with and without my my Klein. I came to the conclusion that the Klein takes away some of the high end mellows the sound, but somehow also levels the sound and takes away some of the characteristics of my instruments. Might also be caused by the added cables and fx. Not quite sure.

I use an Intellifex which doesn't need an fx loop and a Dynacord cls222 leslie which does need the Klein fx loop. I was thinking why not have the Dynacord moddified a bit so it works with the fx send and return of the Ceriatone. This way I would loose the Klein.

Share you views please

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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2009, 01:36:39 PM »
Ahh, but have you tried it with one of Erwins' Percolators Huh?
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2009, 01:46:00 PM »
LOL no. I allready own a good espresso machine.
Seriously. I think the tube version is probably a whole lot better. but a fairly pricy option. (i'm avoiding the word expensive)

But do you need a fx loop to:
a. hook up fx?
b. alter your tone?
c. a bit of both?

if it's mostly option a., my " trick" would work. Lees weight. less cables less alteratiin of tone (only when I use the leslie)

Steven
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2009, 03:06:26 PM »
Quote from: Steven_nl on September 02, 2009, 11:01:13 AM
Hi Guys
Like most of us I'm constantly thinking about my guitar sound. I have a few days of and I was a/b testing with and without my my Klein. I came to the conclusion that the Klein takes away some of the high end mellows the sound, but somehow also levels the sound and takes away some of the characteristics of my instruments. Might also be caused by the added cables and fx. Not quite sure.
I use an Intellifex which doesn't need an fx loop and a Dynacord cls222 leslie which does need the Klein fx loop. I was thinking why not have the Dynacord moddified a bit so it works with the fx send and return of the Ceriatone. This way I would loose the Klein.
Share you views please
cheers
Steven

Build yourself a real dumblator
Is your klein a DIY ?, if so then remove the 220p at the input of the 'send' FET and

 Use either of the above alternatives in parallel instead of in series.
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2009, 03:28:04 PM »
Hi!
I can't build anyting. I can't even solder a guitar cable. A friend of mine made a rack version of the Kleinulator (parts from Nik). (I only drilled holes etc )
I guess I could do some cutting LOL. what would happen if I remove the 220p?

The Intellifex is great cause it has an internal mixer. the clean signal stays analog and goes right through. The digital  effect(s) can be mixed in. So in that sense the reverb is kinda parallel. (obviously the Klein isn't)
I think I would like the Leslie to remaim serial though.


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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2009, 06:21:50 PM »
If your OTS sounds to mellow with the Klein in the loop try increasing master volume cap. Do you even use one?

If you don't have any cap in there try 33p.
If you already have one than go up to 47p.

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2009, 09:44:33 PM »

Hi Steven,

There's nothing wrong with your point of view. The Ceriatone OTS is tweaked at a point it also sounds good without the Klein.
If you're concerned at keeping that tone maybe the Line selector from Boss might be helpfull; http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=150.

Recently I'm on a completely different track with the OTS. I'm modding my amp to a lot brighter puppy and  is unusable without my percolator(dlator). More the #124 way but with high plate resistors.
My homemade dlator is about 200 euro costs in parts and  12-16 hours building time. I can't do without it.
If Nik ever decides to sell he probably can do it cheaper...

Grab some coffee with me next friday?

Quote from: Steven_nl on September 02, 2009, 01:46:00 PM
LOL no. I allready own a good espresso machine.
Seriously. I think the tube version is probably a whole lot better. but a fairly pricy option. (i'm avoiding the word expensive)

But do you need a fx loop to:
a. hook up fx?
b. alter your tone?
c. a bit of both?

if it's mostly option a., my " trick" would work. Lees weight. less cables less alteratiin of tone (only when I use the leslie)

Steven
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2009, 07:38:53 AM »
Hi guys thanks for your usefull input!

@Erwin. Yeah I know your perculator isn't expensive. it's a lot of parts and a lot of work. can't do the coffee next week :-(  I'm of to France tomorrow for a 2 week holliday. I realy need it.
In case you guys are interested. This is what we'll be driving:
http://home.kpn.nl/s.scholten17/tr6.jpg
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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2009, 07:53:49 AM »
Nasty looking wheels.

I hope weather holds up for you and that car.
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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2009, 08:24:13 AM »
Quote from: Steven_nl on September 03, 2009, 07:38:53 AM
Hi guys thanks for your usefull input!

@Erwin. Yeah I know your perculator isn't expensive. it's a lot of parts and a lot of work. can't do the coffee next week :-(  I'm of to France tomorrow for a 2 week holliday. I realy need it.
In case you guys are interested. This is what we'll be driving:
http://home.kpn.nl/s.scholten17/tr6.jpg


That my friend is a summer car. If you are having anything like the weather we are having in the UK you need a WINTER car right now.  Sad
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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2009, 08:45:51 AM »
Quote from: Steven_nl on September 03, 2009, 07:38:53 AM
Hi guys thanks for your usefull input!

@Erwin. Yeah I know your perculator isn't expensive. it's a lot of parts and a lot of work. can't do the coffee next week :-(  I'm of to France tomorrow for a 2 week holliday. I realy need it.
In case you guys are interested. This is what we'll be driving:
http://home.kpn.nl/s.scholten17/tr6.jpg


Hi steven

Enjoy your holiday! Wow, nice car Cool

Greetz Erwin
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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2009, 10:08:26 AM »
South of France actually ;-)
When it rains we drive it with the top down as well. :-)
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