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« Reply #45 on: December 11, 2007, 04:39:28 AM »

Good to see you got the amp.  Get that thing biased right, crank it and let us know what you think of the OD.  The clean channel speaks for itself, eh? Best and most varied cleans I've heard in a long time.
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« Reply #46 on: December 11, 2007, 06:46:51 AM »

Yeah, the clean channel is spectacular. VERY easy to get that Carlton clean that's clean but at the same time is "not" clean. Very cool! I've played around with a few tubes as well. I changed V1 to a NOS smooth plate Telefunken and that really added something special to the cleans as well as taking away a bit of the "grittiness" in channel two. I changed V2 to a NOS Tesla (not JJ) E83CC and that helped smooth things out a bit in the OD channel as well. I also changed the power tubes to TAD 6L6GC's and they sound pretty good, but I'm just about to try the TAD 6L6WGC's and the short bottle JAN Phillips as well. To my ears, and as posted earlier, the internal trimmer is the key to getting the smooth RF tones. Too high and it takes into Marshall territory in a big hurry, and too low, (as mine was set from the factory to my ears anyway) it sounds a little thin and anemic. Not much wiggle room either, as the slightest move makes quite  big difference.

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« Reply #47 on: December 11, 2007, 07:15:34 AM »

Hi Chuck,

thanks for the feedback.

Few questions:

Is it easy to set this internal trimmer?

Does the amp need to be crancked to sound good?

Have you tried the lexicon in the loop?


thanks


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« Reply #48 on: December 11, 2007, 09:09:10 AM »

Hi everyone,

Just went to see Nik about half an hour ago. Tested a DC30 and also an Overtone. Both are tone monsters - but the Overtone is so so versatile. It can be real smooth and real nasty if you want it to. I was using it with a Strat. Can't imagine how good it'll sound with humbuckers!

You can do no wrong with this amp - too much tone inside it.

I'll post clips when I manage to get hold of it.

Anyhow short intro - I am also crosse79 in TGP and I live about 10 mins away from Nik's Workshop.

Regards,
Andrew
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« Reply #49 on: December 11, 2007, 09:41:47 AM »

... I live about 10 mins away from Nik's Workshop.

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« Reply #50 on: December 11, 2007, 07:16:58 PM »

Hi Chuck,

thanks for the feedback.

Few questions:

Is it easy to set this internal trimmer?

Does the amp need to be crancked to sound good?

Have you tried the lexicon in the loop?


thanks


Marin

Hi Marin:

There are three internal trimmers inside the chassis. Two blue and one black with a whiter center. If you are looking into the chassis from the front of the amp, the BLUE trimmer on the far left (on a small board actually mounted on the left side of the chassis) is for the FET channel and Nik states that should be left "high" which is at least at 12:00 and that is how mine came set from the factory. (I haven't experimented with the FET input yet by the way) Moving to the right from the first BLUE trimmer, you'll discover another BLUE trimmer that is on the MAIN circuit board and is located just below and slightly to the left of the second pre amp tube socket (V2). This is the OD trimmer. It is very easy to adjust, (small slotted screwdriver will do) and mine came set (stock) from Nik at 9:00. (basically the slot was straight across) The OD trimmer has a HUGE impact on the tone, volume, and overall vibe of the OD channel. Set too low, (I found 9:00 o'clock too low for my ears/tastes) the OD channel sounds thin and anemic, (even with humbuckers), at volume levels that will get you invited back to many a gig, but the OD channel does seem to come to life a bit at that setting if in fact you do CRANK up the amp, but holy crap is it loud when you do that. Set too high, and the OD channel comes ROARING to life at pretty much any volume, but it VERY QUICKLY moves away from Dumblesque heaven and into Marshall mayhem in a big hurry. Don't get me wrong, the amp sounds great a pretty much any OD trimmer setting (VERY versatile) but it does take some time to dial in the OD channel using the OD trimmer, level, ratio, volume and master volume as well as tone contols set to taste obviously. To answer your question about does the amp have to be cranked or not. It does sound pretty spectacular at the higher volumes, and to my ears, it sounds MUCH closer to the RF stuff I'm used to playing with the OD trimmer set just below 10:00 o'clock and the amp "up" a bit, than it does at lower volumes with the OD trimmer set to say 11:00 o'clock or so. VERY fine line on the OD channel between slightly anemic, right on loud, proud, RF stuff with just the perfect amount of Dumble rumble, and over the top fizzy, buzzy Marshall stuff.
The last trimmer is the black one with the white center, and that sets the balance for the phase inverter, (V3) and it's located on the far right of the main board. Nik stated this should be adjusted when only using a scope and is best left at 12:00 so that both sides of the PI are balanced.
I tried the Lexicon PCM-70 VERY briefly in the loop, but I have it all set up for use with my Ulbrick Sound Stadium 80 Special head that has a world class tube buffered effects loop with send and return, so for obvious reasons, it didn't sound very good in the passive effects loop of the Overtone Special. I have a Rodenberg Flexloop 3D (basically a Dumbleator) on the way, and when that arrives I'll revisit the Lexicon. I'm actually quite surprised how good this amp sounds "dry", and that to me is the mark of a good/great sounding amp. It doesn't needs effects to sound good/great. More to come.

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« Reply #51 on: December 12, 2007, 12:17:07 AM »

Hey Chuck,

Great review.  It seems we are all having a nice honeymoon with this amp.  There is one thing I've been trying to slightly "dial out" though.  On the OD with the PAB on for the typical RF tones I'm wanting to soften a wee bit of harshness in the upper mids and then the amp will be perfect.  I've been plugging all my NOS ax7 stash (amperex, Mullards, telefunken, Syls, Matsushitas) in V2 and the early 60's Sylvanias are absolutely the smoothest in this amp but there is still a hair of adjusting to do.

Thus...

 I've been spending a lot of time over at the amp garage site and have found this fine tweaking of the upper OD harmonics is where the magic occurs.  And the problem is, each amp is different and the guys over there who have been obsessing over these circuits for YEARS have developed the magic touch that gets the last 10th of a percent, that last piece of the puzzle of "the tone" equation figured out.  I think that is what you are paying for when you buy a Glasswerks, Bludotone, Carol Anns, Fuchs.........you buy "in the tone zone" expertise.   
That is never what I wanted or particularly expected from the Overtone.  I wanted exactly what Nik provided; an extremely well made ODS amp that gets me to the 99.9% stage.  Hell, this Overtone hangs with ANY of the "big boys" I have ever played,,no question.  The last .1% is personal taste anyway so this is where my OCD...lol......gets to do it's thing.  Now, it's down to component adjustments, pickups, guitar body woods, brands of strings,  seasonal humidity, moon phase and gravitational pull on electrons in my Winged C's.......lol,   yep.....OCD.
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« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2007, 07:44:34 PM »

Hey Chuck,

Great review.  It seems we are all having a nice honeymoon with this amp.  There is one thing I've been trying to slightly "dial out" though.  On the OD with the PAB on for the typical RF tones I'm wanting to soften a wee bit of harshness in the upper mids and then the amp will be perfect.  I've been plugging all my NOS ax7 stash (amperex, Mullards, telefunken, Syls, Matsushitas) in V2 and the early 60's Sylvanias are absolutely the smoothest in this amp but there is still a hair of adjusting to do.

Thus...

 I've been spending a lot of time over at the amp garage site and have found this fine tweaking of the upper OD harmonics is where the magic occurs.  And the problem is, each amp is different and the guys over there who have been obsessing over these circuits for YEARS have developed the magic touch that gets the last 10th of a percent, that last piece of the puzzle of "the tone" equation figured out.  I think that is what you are paying for when you buy a Glasswerks, Bludotone, Carol Anns, Fuchs.........you buy "in the tone zone" expertise.   
That is never what I wanted or particularly expected from the Overtone.  I wanted exactly what Nik provided; an extremely well made ODS amp that gets me to the 99.9% stage.  Hell, this Overtone hangs with ANY of the "big boys" I have ever played,,no question.  The last .1% is personal taste anyway so this is where my OCD...lol......gets to do it's thing.  Now, it's down to component adjustments, pickups, guitar body woods, brands of strings,  seasonal humidity, moon phase and gravitational pull on electrons in my Winged C's.......lol,   yep.....OCD.

Great post!

Love the bit about your ocd, and moon phase, grav pull etc.
thats  right on the money!  Grin Chair Dance
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« Reply #53 on: December 14, 2007, 03:58:42 PM »

Hi Chuck,

thanks for this very useful response.

Please keep us updated on your new tweaks and experiences.


Marin


Hi Chuck,

thanks for the feedback.

Few questions:

Is it easy to set this internal trimmer?

Does the amp need to be crancked to sound good?

Have you tried the lexicon in the loop?


thanks


Marin

Hi Marin:

There are three internal trimmers inside the chassis. Two blue and one black with a whiter center. If you are looking into the chassis from the front of the amp, the BLUE trimmer on the far left (on a small board actually mounted on the left side of the chassis) is for the FET channel and Nik states that should be left "high" which is at least at 12:00 and that is how mine came set from the factory. (I haven't experimented with the FET input yet by the way) Moving to the right from the first BLUE trimmer, you'll discover another BLUE trimmer that is on the MAIN circuit board and is located just below and slightly to the left of the second pre amp tube socket (V2). This is the OD trimmer. It is very easy to adjust, (small slotted screwdriver will do) and mine came set (stock) from Nik at 9:00. (basically the slot was straight across) The OD trimmer has a HUGE impact on the tone, volume, and overall vibe of the OD channel. Set too low, (I found 9:00 o'clock too low for my ears/tastes) the OD channel sounds thin and anemic, (even with humbuckers), at volume levels that will get you invited back to many a gig, but the OD channel does seem to come to life a bit at that setting if in fact you do CRANK up the amp, but holy crap is it loud when you do that. Set too high, and the OD channel comes ROARING to life at pretty much any volume, but it VERY QUICKLY moves away from Dumblesque heaven and into Marshall mayhem in a big hurry. Don't get me wrong, the amp sounds great a pretty much any OD trimmer setting (VERY versatile) but it does take some time to dial in the OD channel using the OD trimmer, level, ratio, volume and master volume as well as tone contols set to taste obviously. To answer your question about does the amp have to be cranked or not. It does sound pretty spectacular at the higher volumes, and to my ears, it sounds MUCH closer to the RF stuff I'm used to playing with the OD trimmer set just below 10:00 o'clock and the amp "up" a bit, than it does at lower volumes with the OD trimmer set to say 11:00 o'clock or so. VERY fine line on the OD channel between slightly anemic, right on loud, proud, RF stuff with just the perfect amount of Dumble rumble, and over the top fizzy, buzzy Marshall stuff.
The last trimmer is the black one with the white center, and that sets the balance for the phase inverter, (V3) and it's located on the far right of the main board. Nik stated this should be adjusted when only using a scope and is best left at 12:00 so that both sides of the PI are balanced.
I tried the Lexicon PCM-70 VERY briefly in the loop, but I have it all set up for use with my Ulbrick Sound Stadium 80 Special head that has a world class tube buffered effects loop with send and return, so for obvious reasons, it didn't sound very good in the passive effects loop of the Overtone Special. I have a Rodenberg Flexloop 3D (basically a Dumbleator) on the way, and when that arrives I'll revisit the Lexicon. I'm actually quite surprised how good this amp sounds "dry", and that to me is the mark of a good/great sounding amp. It doesn't needs effects to sound good/great. More to come.

Chuck  Smiley
 
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« Reply #54 on: December 14, 2007, 04:00:36 PM »

....when is MY amp going to arrive.....? Huh?


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« Reply #55 on: December 14, 2007, 04:54:52 PM »

Marin,

  Soon. Smiley

  We're shipping em as soon as we can. We can only do 3 per week it seems, cant go any faster than that, we tried.

  And new cabs just arrived. Finally, these look real good, I think and should be the final.

  I should have pics very soon, with amp inside cab. Do check Monday, latest, if anybody is interested.

  And footswitches! Still need to wire em all up, as the enclosure is tolexed wood as well and a batch just also arrived.

  As for the amp, I must say that it was done on the basis of the 80s type. Its got its own sound going.

  The HRM type would be a different thing. We'll see...

  The OD can be quite brutal if needed. If playing at ratio and level max or close, do disengage the mid boost (deep). It will tighten it up.

  If you find cool settings, do write it down. I keep forgetting to do this, and it's hard to find it again. It can do many things so the problem is always, while searching for one sound, Id find another and start going with that for a while. And forgetting about what I looked for in the first place.

   As pointed out, guitar, speakers, etc do matter. I am still being surprised each time something new is played with the amp. (Andrew - those Lollar blackfaces did sound awesome with that guitar of yours!).

  Anyways, it's late and Im off to bed early tonight!

  To all, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year (dont worry, all of us here are working throughout the break, ye waiting for amps!).

Thanks!

Nik



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« Reply #56 on: December 14, 2007, 09:09:07 PM »

don't ask me why, but these settings sounded spectacular yesterday with my band (number, not hour):

Volume: slightly under 4
Bright off, Deep on, Rock
Treble: slightly under 4
Middle: slightly under 6
Bass: between 5 and 6
OD Level: just in the middle of 3 and 4 (it's enough gain to have a mid crunch for "Remedy" by Black Crowes)
OD Ratio: slightly under 9
Presence: 4


 Master? It was slightly above....     1!!!!

Clean and OD were astonishing, I've never such a beautiful sound as yesterday.
Really, really great.

Marco.

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« Reply #57 on: December 15, 2007, 04:55:00 AM »

Marin,

    And new cabs just arrived. Finally, these look real good, I think and should be the final.

  I should have pics very soon, with amp inside cab. Do check Monday, latest, if anybody is interested.

 

pics are up

pls visit the Cabinet sub page and the Complete Amp sub page


Have a Merry Xmas to all from all of us at Ceriatone

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« Reply #58 on: December 16, 2007, 09:50:51 AM »

Marin,

  Soon. Smiley

  We're shipping em as soon as we can. We can only do 3 per week it seems, cant go any faster than that, we tried.

  And new cabs just arrived. Finally, these look real good, I think and should be the final.

  I should have pics very soon, with amp inside cab. Do check Monday, latest, if anybody is interested.

  And footswitches! Still need to wire em all up, as the enclosure is tolexed wood as well and a batch just also arrived.


Thanks Nik.

I was hoping to see mine before Xmas but no worry. I am sure it will be worth the wait.

Footswitches? That's great.

Maybe even some bufferred loops....("Ceriatators" aka "*umbleators"). Smiley

now does this look good or what? Wink




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« Reply #59 on: December 16, 2007, 10:33:22 AM »

Please post some soundclips
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