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« on: June 26, 2008, 03:27:34 PM »
Hello,

  HRM is soon to release.

  I thought I'd post and see what people would like as part of the feature:

a) The amp will have:

i) Pull bright switch
ii) Deep (as in actual Deep switch)
iii) Mid Boost
iv) Rock Jazz

  For i) ie the Pull bright switch, which would you like to see:

A) Original no bright cap and with 270pf (or other values) bright when pulled?

OR

B) 120pf in normal mode, and 180pf (total 300pf) in bright mode.

  The clean# aint that nice with no bright cap, and thats with a Strat.

Thanks!

Nik

 
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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2008, 06:35:53 PM »
what will this sound like?
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2008, 10:18:28 PM »
Hi

 The cleans are pretty nice, actually, which is surprising.

  As for the issue, ie the bright cap -

  I think it'd be nicer if by default (normal mode) that some value of bright is there.

  The bright cap not only adds brightness, but some dimension/hair to the sound, which I like.

  The 120 in normal mode, and 120 + 180 = 300pf seems like a good idea.

  Thought of using 3 way switch, but the slot for the toggle has been taken by the Deep, Mid boost, and Rock/Jazz.

  As usual, I am reusing the overtone chassis for the HRM model as well.

Thanks!

Nik
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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2008, 03:25:34 AM »
Hey Nik,

HRM...ya, I need some nasty.....I am a strat player after all.

 So, BM?? Skyliner?? Plate values?? Pre OD values?? Dropping string 180k in place FET?? 

specs man....specs.. Grin
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2008, 03:48:47 AM »
Quote from: ampkits on June 26, 2008, 10:18:28 PM
  The 120 in normal mode, and 120 + 180 = 300pf seems like a good idea.

 
That sounds like the more sensible approach i reckon...

Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly are the sound differences between the standard and HRM models??  I guess what Im trying to say is tone wise, what does HRM try to achieve?? Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2008, 04:45:26 AM »
Quote from: cadsy48 on June 27, 2008, 03:48:47 AM
Quote from: ampkits on June 26, 2008, 10:18:28 PM
  The 120 in normal mode, and 120 + 180 = 300pf seems like a good idea.

 
That sounds like the more sensible approach i reckon...

Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly are the sound differences between the standard and HRM models??  I guess what Im trying to say is tone wise, what does HRM try to achieve?? Smiley

The Overtone as it is now is refered to as a non-HRM.  Non-HRM tend to have more singing, sweeter and sustaining lead tone and are generally a little easier to play.  HRM amps are more for the touch players but the tones are more complex.   That said, there is a lot of crossover possibility with what the HRM is based on...Bluesmaster or Skyliner tone stack, preamp plate values, OD entrance, 6L6's or EL34's,......

I'd go HRM for rock and non-HRM for the fusion stuff but that's generalizing too much because the players style is a huge factor in deciding which one is better for any given situation.
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2008, 07:33:59 AM »
Hey Nik,

You just keep giving us headaches over how we'll afford all these amazing amps you keep turning out don't you!!

Any plans for a Steel String Slinger based model in the future??
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2008, 01:26:12 PM »
Chris,

  Should post layout soon.

  Not BM. No dropping to simulate FET, yet. I kinda like it as it is altho I can try that easily as well.

 
I guess it's just regular garden variety HRM? Smiley

Thanks!

Nik

Quote from: ChrisL on June 27, 2008, 03:25:34 AM
Hey Nik,

HRM...ya, I need some nasty.....I am a strat player after all.

 So, BM?? Skyliner?? Plate values?? Pre OD values?? Dropping string 180k in place FET?? 

specs man....specs.. Grin
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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2008, 01:35:01 PM »
Chris

  I will do Copper String Singer.

  Platinum version in the works Wink

  Seriously, not yet.

  The overtone and the hrm will be the 2 from this side of things.

  I need to move on to other genres, its getting to be kinda routine here.

Thanks!

Nik

Quote from: AdrianJ on June 27, 2008, 07:33:59 AM
Hey Nik,

You just keep giving us headaches over how we'll afford all these amazing amps you keep turning out don't you!!

Any plans for a Steel String Slinger based model in the future??
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2008, 03:28:49 PM »
Quote from: ampkits on June 27, 2008, 01:35:01 PM


  I need to move on to other genres, its getting to be kinda routine here.



Any hints as to what? SLO maybe???
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2008, 10:41:57 PM »
Hi

  Indeed, hi gain stuff is something we need to go into.

  Not sure yet what'd be the first we do.

  Thanks!

Nik
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2008, 10:48:27 PM »
Hi,

  Surprisingly, the HRM is a bit easier, tone wise, to my ears, without much ado (remember that time, chris? Smiley)

  I am finding the OD tonestack's bass need to be set pretty low, otherwise the bass does overpower the thing. About 150K on the trim, specifically.

  The OD for rock is right on.

  To remember a post I saw a long long time ago:

  " Guess what HRM stands for!?"

  On mine, it Say His Royal Majesty. With the capital letters made much bigger so no mistake it's H.R.M.

  hehe.

Thanks!

Nik

 

Quote from: ChrisL on June 27, 2008, 04:45:26 AM
Quote from: cadsy48 on June 27, 2008, 03:48:47 AM
Quote from: ampkits on June 26, 2008, 10:18:28 PM
  The 120 in normal mode, and 120 + 180 = 300pf seems like a good idea.

 
That sounds like the more sensible approach i reckon...

Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly are the sound differences between the standard and HRM models??  I guess what Im trying to say is tone wise, what does HRM try to achieve?? Smiley

The Overtone as it is now is refered to as a non-HRM.  Non-HRM tend to have more singing, sweeter and sustaining lead tone and are generally a little easier to play.  HRM amps are more for the touch players but the tones are more complex.   That said, there is a lot of crossover possibility with what the HRM is based on...Bluesmaster or Skyliner tone stack, preamp plate values, OD entrance, 6L6's or EL34's,......

I'd go HRM for rock and non-HRM for the fusion stuff but that's generalizing too much because the players style is a huge factor in deciding which one is better for any given situation.
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2008, 03:44:01 AM »
Thanks for the info Nik Smiley

so as i understand it the HRM basically is a different tone stack, and this creates a more "rock" sound on the OD channel, and makes it slightly more touch sensitive..

are the cleans affected much or is it more the OD channel?  when it comes out i think it would be really helpful if there was a soundclip on the site that showed the two amps at the same settings and so it would display the difference to people.  because at the moment I have a feeling people who arent dumble savvy (myself included) still see a bit of mystery around what the HRM was designed to do...
cheers Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2008, 06:10:35 AM »

cadsy48,

The HRM isn't a different tone stack but rather an extra tone stack that is a post OD EQ.   The HRM does not affect the cleans since it is post OD,,BUT, since the HRM with a skyliner TS has no NFB on V1 the cleans will in fact be bigger.   


Quote from: cadsy48 on June 30, 2008, 03:44:01 AM
Thanks for the info Nik Smiley

so as i understand it the HRM basically is a different tone stack, and this creates a more "rock" sound on the OD channel, and makes it slightly more touch sensitive..

are the cleans affected much or is it more the OD channel?  when it comes out i think it would be really helpful if there was a soundclip on the site that showed the two amps at the same settings and so it would display the difference to people.  because at the moment I have a feeling people who arent dumble savvy (myself included) still see a bit of mystery around what the HRM was designed to do...
cheers Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2008, 11:08:20 AM »
Quote from: ChrisL on June 30, 2008, 06:10:35 AM
BUT, since the HRM with a skyliner TS has no NFB on V1 the cleans will in fact be bigger.   

 Huh? uhhh.....ill take your word for it  Tongue haha thanks mate
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