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« on: April 21, 2010, 02:19:49 AM »

 Has anyone tried a Fender style 6g15 standalone reverb in the loop of their OTS w/ or w/out a D-lator?

  I am getting ready to built one in a 1u rack case and I am hoping that it will sound decent. I read an article recently that Steve Kimock stated that Two Rock Built him a Fender style Reverb and that he used it in the loop of his Dumble w/ a D-lator (Krinulator) w/ outstanding results. He said it smoked his half rack digital verbs he was used to using.

 I may Build The Belton Brick into the unit also so I can switch between the 2 verbs or use them n'sync.

I believe I will also have to put a balanced line out so it will work correctly in an effects loop. Also a ground lift of some nature to reduce hum and so there is no ground loop.

 Hopefully this will be a great alternative to digital units as there is nothing like good 'ol tube spring reverb!!!
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2010, 08:33:12 AM »
... I would also like to know

A while back I was looking at this...
http://taweber.powweb.com/store/kits_weber.htm#5H15
...and wonder how it would sound in the OTS loop.
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2010, 11:31:11 AM »
Quote from: boldaslove6789 on April 21, 2010, 02:19:49 AM
I am getting ready to built one in a 1u rack case and I am hoping that it will sound decent.
 Hopefully this will be a great alternative to digital units as there is nothing like good 'ol tube spring reverb!!!
Don’t bother!
I’ve tried fender reverb, also Roland RE-201 space echo (spring reverb + multyhead tape delay) which is superior to Fender. Wthout and with Dumbleator. Also many rack or pedal devices. NOTHING would work properly in live situation if you don’t use a PARALEL loop divice and also you have to kill FX dry signal.
The best device so far for me is a Fuchs verbrator – PARALEL digial reverb and loopolator in one small box. No tone lose at all.
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2010, 09:06:06 PM »


    My d-lator will have a series/parallel switch and the reverb unit I am building will have a 100k Metal Film resister series w/ pin 2 of the 12at7 to the input jack so It should work properly. The problem with the Fuchs Verberator is that its designed to be transparent ( I Think?, correct me if I'm wrong) therefore not achieving the D-lator effect

. The Fuchs unit also has a Digital Reverb ( I really do hate digital reverbs ). This is IMO of course. Some may prefer a Digital unit, I do not.  I love Blackface style reverb and I think The OTS will be a perfect match.

 Dumble made a tube Reverb unit himself called the Big Tex Reverb. I just wish there was more information about this unit as its about as rare as a SSS  Grin.
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2010, 12:50:09 AM »
Every parallel device, including your D-lator would be transparent. That’s why it is PARALEL. I'm sure you know that D-lator 3D effect only occurs if you have it in series loop with stereo out device (chorus, delay etc) together with second amp. Otherwise D-lator effect is a myth based on small increase of a loop gain which feels like a “bigger amp” with corrupted tone unfortunately.
Big Tex reverb? Non significant after TC 2290 and Lexicon MX400 was created ! not IMO, just fact.
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2010, 12:58:31 AM »


 I've heard many great things on T.C. stuff ( The new and old  ) unfortunetely I don't have the bread to burn on a studio grade Rack verb like a Lexicon PCM or T.C. 

 I do understand your point on the parallel being transparent ( thats obviously why it is a versatile mod for the D-lator).

 I'm not bagin on the Fuchs Verberator, after all he does have a good price on it.
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2010, 06:07:51 AM »
Hey guys.... with parallel switch you put just effect part into parallel mode and not D-lator it self. D-lator is still serial and still affects the tone (in a good way if you ask me).
I'm using Suhr Minimix and it works like a charm,... along with my MPX1 I'm totally satisfied.

A tube verb like 6g15 here would only make sense to me, if D-lator is not needed anymore (impedance/level matching)... and as far as the parallel thing goes - with no digital A/D happening, I thought parallel is not needed anymore... well that was my theory but what do I know.   Wink
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2010, 10:23:14 PM »
I've got the Verbrator...sounds great. It's not a spring but it works well for me.  Prior to that I had the Holy Grail in the loop w/out and buffer and it totally closed down the sound of the amp.
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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2010, 08:40:43 PM »
I´m going to by a Verbrator and need some help with how to connect my pedals to my HRM.
I have BJF SW Auto Wha, Budda Wha, BJF BB, Rock box BP, Ethos, BJF DB delay, Red Witch Moon phaser, and soon Verbrator.
Witch  one in the loop and how ?

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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2010, 08:58:57 PM »

 Just run any time based effects in your loop ( Delay Chorus ,Reverb etc).

  And any OD, Fuzz , Phaser, wah,Vibe,trem, Volume pedal, Auto wah,and  Ethos will go in front of the amp.

 The Delay would go into the send/return of the Verberator and the in/out will go to the send/return of your amp.
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2010, 10:36:47 AM »
Is there a big differnce if I use Verbrator in the loop,
or if I put Good Verbrations right ito the amp.
There is a differnce in price for sure  ; )
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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2010, 04:04:57 PM »
The Fuches Verbrator is a 'Dumbleator' and 'Reverb unit' combined.

I use one 'in the loop' and really like it.

Most people agree that a buffered FX Send / Return is required to connect standard pedals / rack gear into the Overtone (or most D-Style amps).

The Kleinulator or new C-Lator does this.

The Fuchs Verbrator gives you a buffered FX Send / Return & Reverb at the same time.

The Reverb can be 'dialled out' if required, leaving you with a 'Dry' FX Send & Return.

The FX Send / Return from the Verbrator can be switched between Series and Parallel The default is Parallel mode, meaning that your TONE can remain intact without passing through numerous AD/ DA stages.

I've currently got mine setup with a Rocktron Intelifex providing Delay / Reverb although sometimes just delay with the Verbrator providing the reverb, it works really well.

The consensus is Reverb / Time Based FX do not work as well when placed in front of the amp......there again rules can be ignored!!



 
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2010, 08:35:04 PM »
Quote from: exocet on April 26, 2010, 04:04:57 PM
Most people agree that a buffered FX Send / Return is required to connect standard pedals / rack gear into the Overtone (or most D-Style amps)

Seems to me that there's a misconception that the FX loop as it is, is not usable without one of the buffering units.
I think this is only if you want to put pedals in there, because they're mostly designed to work with guitar level signals. In my experience a line level/rack mount device -  reverb, delay type FX work just fine in the FX loop without degrading the tone/sound quality.
All I need is a reverb, the OTS overdrive can't be beat IMO by any FX pedal.
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2010, 08:29:58 PM »
Still not sure what to do   : /

Andy at Fuchs told me that the Good Verbrations is ok to put in the HRM loop ( its probably bufferd )
I also want to have my Deap Blue Delay in the loop.
Is it ok to have the Good Verbrations and DBD in serie into the loop, or do I have to use Verbrator insted so I can have the DBD parallel true Verbrator in the loop ?
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