Ceriatone Forum

Hi,

I find that the EVM 12L Classic is rated at 200 W. But the OTS is only 50 W. Isn't the speaker too much for the amp to move ???
Just a newbie stupid question please.

Thanks for your time.

The EVM is a popular speaker for the OTS because it is so much more speaker than the amps rating suggests.   Unlike jensens and Celestion the EVM does not impart as much colour to the tone as more traditional less efficient speakers.   The voice of the EVM speaker works for many. You can expect to  hear the amp, guitar and signal path without the artifacts of a lower wattage, less efficient speaker.   That may or may
not be for you but for many the compression and cone breakup it does not work as well with the OTS as the very efficient EVM.  The other go to speaker issues to be the Celestion 1265, this has more traditional Speaker qualities.   As for which is better, it is only a matter Of opinion.   I currently use WGS 1265 clones in an open back 2x12 and they breakup a bit at stage volume and are warm and not highly defined, but enough so as to cut the mix well.   

The speaker is rated *up to* 200 watts. That's the point at which it can be ruined. It doesn't have to see 200 watts.

Plus a 50-watt amp can peak at 80+ watts. A 50-watt Marshall for instance is usually exceeding 50-watts by "4" on the Volume knob

Thanks for the replies. Makes sense. If only they were not >200$ . I heard there are some eminence alternatives for the EV, but might as well wait and get the real deal.

>200 bucks? Try to get an older EVM 12L, with a little luck you can catch one for around 150 on ebay. I'm running my OTS 50 with a 2x12 cabinet, and a 1x12 Thiele cabinet. All with old EVM 12L's. The speaker are the real deal (for me)!

Agreed re price.  I have a 12-L and a 12-S and paid $100 each.  Both are used, but that's not a big deal for me.  Check CL or the Bay.

in the mean time, haul your amp round to try as many cabs/drivers as your can, there is no guarantee you will prefer an EVM12L
I have a BM HRM and had a Fuchs ODS and a Ceriatone OTS, I found my EVM12 a little shrill, there are other "clean" speakers around
Alledgedly, the Eminence Delta Pro 12A is a near-clone.

I have a Twin that runs into 2x Eminence ME12-1008LE
These are not as crisp, but are very cheap now - you can pick these up used on ebay so cheaply, I prefer some amps through these than through the EVM12

They might be a little shrill, thats right. I'm running my OTS 50 with 6L6 WGC tubes, very warm an "jazzy" sounding (think of John Mayer). This combination, EVM 12L and 6L6 WGC, seems to be "the deal" fpr me.

yep, it's all down to what works for each of us, therefore I recommend to anyone - try a loaned EVM12 and others rather than just saving up for an EVM12. The EVM12 will not be everyone's favourite

Interesting thread. Usually most important things with the  speakers are how they work with different cabinets and HOW THEY RECORD / sound via PA. That’s how listeners hear them in a large halls or open filds.
Small club/pub gigs are different if you are not going through the PA, that’s why I always recommend to mice it up and put it through a little bit anyway, even small amount of sound via PA makes tremendous (good) difference. In this case EV12 is a best recording speaker so far.
Speakers which also record well are:
1.   Celestion Blue,
2.   Celestion Gold 12’’ and 10’’
3.   Celestion G12 K100
4.   Celestion G12 – 65
5.   Ceestion Vintage 30
6.   Fane AXA 12 alnico
7.   Jensen Tornado Neo
8.   Eminence Cannabis Rex
9.   Eminence deltalite II 2512 neo
10.   Eminence Raging Cajun 10’’

But still EV is a best!

Bookmark Dr Ika's list
This is the short list for any ots or hrm owners

The fane aka 12 is worth attention, whilst not as nice as a celestion gold to my ears, it's close, and is cheaper, and takes 100w, useful if you want a 100w Alnico 1x12

I found my favourites, Alnico speakers less appropriate for the OTS, and other rockier and brighter amps.
I love the alnicos on tweeds, the bluesmaster, matchless, vox, but not with train wreck, el84 se amps , jtm45, 70s, 80s twins, etc

Think about the beam too, mic and pa is the only way to be certain of getting your sound out there
I see more people using a transparent screen in front of the cab, to benefit even more

Btw Has everyone here heard of the doughnut-shaped beam blockers?

Yes indeed. I have them installed in 2 cabs and 2 combos. Cheap enough to 'suck it and see'. Just make sure if usingthe spray contact adhesive to let is dry a bit before attaching to the grille, that way if you wan to remove it it won't leave lots of foam bits sticking to the back of the grille.

Jay Mitchell’s foam doughnut is a good directivity modifier. We have done loads of experimentation with it and found out that best way to use t is 15’’ foam disk with 3’’ hall in the centre. The best result achieved when disk is positioned 30-40 cm IN FRONT OF THE 12’’ speaker. Even better if you create a same foam 15’’ FUNNEL instead of disk, put it in front of the speaker on some kind of stand. It will not only block unwanted hi beam, it will redirect it all around depending on the funnel’s wall angle.
Much better idea than transparent Plexiglas screen.

Could you please explain yourself? Are there some links, drawings or so?

http://www.tgpwebzine.com/?page_id=424

Interesting, thanks!

Another directivity modifier. Works well but to expensive. One can DIY it I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_BaO7Mg3oQ

£280 for a piece of perspex? Good luck to those guys, I wonder if they sold any?

I have 2 EVM12-L that I bought used.  One's a lot brighter than the other and technically sounds more 'right'.  The difference is quite large, and I wonder if the dark one is damaged, but it seems to have more mojo than the bright one.
Haven't been able to decide which is the clear winner.  They both record well.  I've used the brighter one live a few times and it sounds a bit hard at live volumes.  Sounds better to me at bedroom volume.  I'm going to try the dark one live and try to decide on one or other to use in combination with my G12-65.   (2 EVM's is too much for an old guy to schlepp.)
The G12-65 is light weight, plus it has a more organic sound than the EV's. I like it a lot.
The only reason I decided to try the EV's was to get more headroom.

i have used these with great success:

http://www.audioloudspeakers.co.uk/tayden_sonicdiffuser.shtml

Very interesting Mr. Fabulous, but if you read carefully Jay Mitchell’s explanation of speaker directivity you will realise that Weber and Tayden type beam blockers don’t work.  :'(
The effect you hear with your “beam blockers” really is a comb filtering (Hi frequency phase cancellation) which is bad for pure guitar tone.
But on the other hand – if you like it….. ;)