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jontz71
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« on: February 13, 2011, 02:16:52 AM »

Hey guys,

I just bought a 2011 fender hot rod deluxe 2x12 combo.
Still don't feel i am getting that gilmour Hiwatt "on an island" lead tone.

Some clips of the overtone specials (not HRM) models seem to come close.

I still have 3O days to return the amp. Might keep it for those country and blues songs and save up for a overtone special.

I also like to play van halen but that's a different story Wink

What's the best overtone or ceriatone for me ?
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2011, 02:52:51 AM »

Did you say "Hiwatt?"  Hey What?

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Peace.
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2011, 03:52:43 PM »

What pedals do you use? On the studio album Gilmour used all kinds of amplifiers to get that overdriven tone, Fender Tweed's and an old Marshall Plexi. Guitars are old Strats, '56 Goldtop Les Paul and an old Gretsch. Live he uses pedals like a Cornish G2 or BK Butler Tube Driver to get that Marshally tone. Your Hotrod should be a good match.
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2011, 04:30:57 PM »

using a MXR Custom Shop '69 Compressor, Boss EQ, Boss Noise Suppressor,
MXR Phase 90,  Digitech Digital Delay 900, Keeley TS9

just missing that Tube Bite i hear on this clip live:


nik suggested the 504 OL. don't see any sound clips for this amp ??  any links you know of ??

the biggest thing i want is a major diffence from the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe i just bought.

what's the wattage choices on this amp ?

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Emiel
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2011, 10:30:51 AM »

I'd suggest getting a decent overdrive pedal FIRST. The Tubescreamer is nice but definitely won't give you the sound you're after. You could look on a Boss Blues Driver, or if you have the cash and really want the pedal Gilmour is using, a BK Butler Tube Driver. Mind this is just overdrive... if you want his fuzzy lead tone then get a BYOC Large Beaver, a great and cheap copy of the Electro Harmonix Big Muff. Trust me, you just need a different pedal(s) to get closer to his lead sound, not necessarily a new amp. Remember Gilmour just uses his amps as a loud clean platform (that is: his live tone) and then puts pedals on top to get his sound.

P.s. the clip doesn't show up.
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2011, 12:57:13 PM »

And don't forget the delay is a big part of his sound.
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2011, 03:30:17 PM »

Hey guys,

I just bought a 2011 fender hot rod deluxe 2x12 combo.
Still don't feel i am getting that gilmour Hiwatt "on an island" lead tone.

Some clips of the overtone specials (not HRM) models seem to come close............

.............................What's the best overtone or ceriatone for me ?

All you need is a Boss SE70 and you're in business   Cool: http://www.jurriaanbeckers.com/SE702gilmourclean.htm

On the 'On an Island' record, Dave Gilmour used an old Fender Twin reverb. The Overtone Bluesmaster will get you close to that sound. However, I'm pretty sure that Dave Gilmour would sound almost the same on your new Hot Rod Deluxe. So all you need is a little practice and a 700 mS delay.

Please find below a quote from an article in 'Sound on Sound' magazine, july 2006, about the recording David Gilmours 'On an Island':
During live Pink Floyd concerts, David Gilmour was renowned for using a lot of guitar effects and big amplifiers. I was curious to know what setup he used for recording. "Everyone asks what reverbs David uses, and the answer is none! He uses delays, and it's usually around 700 milliseconds or so. That's on his pedalboard, but apart from that there's probably only one or two different distortion boxes and maybe a compressor. It's not that complex — it's just finely tinkered with and he's got some nice guitars and good fingers. The amp was generally an old Fender Tweed Twin Reverb, with a little bit from his Hi-Watts occasionally. When he's recording at home, he just kind of sticks that Sony mic in a non-specific place in front of the speaker and I tried to replicate that in the studio, but it wasn't really working in our room. Chris wanted to stick an SM57 on it, maybe four inches from the grille cloth and a bit off-axis, but then I put a Coles 4040 ribbon mic next to it, dead in the middle of the cone, and we found that mixing that in behind the 57 really worked. What you hear is mainly the 57, but when you bring up the Coles, the sound just goes 'expensive'. Nearly all the guitar I recorded ended up being done like that — you just have to be really careful about the mic positions and make sure both are exactly the same distance from the speaker.

"Some of the guitars would be from David's home recording as he has a similar amp and effects setup at home. In fact on the guitar solo for 'On An Island' where there are two guitars, the first is a Les Paul and the second one a Strat. He recorded the Les Paul at home using the Sony mic and I recorded the Strat in the studio using the SM57 and the Coles ribbon, so if you want to hear how the two approaches compare, that's a good place to do it.


http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul06/articles/andyjackson.htm
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