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Title: Can anyone offer a brief TONE summary between the different OTS types please?
Post by: Mitch on May 07, 2009, 02:00:58 AM
Guys-

I've been thinking of up-grading my OTS to the 100w version soon- I just need more headroom & volume (hard to believe - but my bass player & drummer aren't the most subtle of musicians to say the least! ;).  Can anyone offer a brief overview of the differences between the 100w HRM / Special & Bluesmaster types?  I've been reading posts regularly & I realize tone is VERY subjective - but any opinions would REALLY help before I pull the trigger with Nik.  I really like my 50w special I have- I've modded it slightly - and they were easy mods too- mostly by changing the snubber caps on the OD channel.  The Bluesmaster looks cool as many of the mods are already done, including moving the OD trim to the rear panel- I'm leaning towards more of a 'Marshall' tone than anything.  Is this the one to go for?

any advice would be cool!

Cheers! Mitch.


Title: Re: Can anyone offer a brief TONE summary between the different OTS types please?
Post by: AdrianJ on June 17, 2009, 06:51:20 AM
I would second this request. Could someone please explain the basic tonal differences between the HRM, S&M and Bluesmaster versions of the OTS...

Which is the most like a Two Rock for example..??


Title: Re: Can anyone offer a brief TONE summary between the different OTS types please?
Post by: tony d on June 19, 2009, 07:47:49 AM
Mitch,
What mods did you do the snubber caps on your ots, and were you pleased with the results?  I assume it was to tame the highs a bit.
Thanks


Title: Re: Can anyone offer a brief TONE summary between the different OTS types please?
Post by: woodshed on October 07, 2009, 03:24:09 PM
I agree 100%. There needs to be a sticky or something on the main site or on this page denoting each model's function & comparison difference. 


Title: Re: Can anyone offer a brief TONE summary between the different OTS types please?
Post by: erwin_ve on October 07, 2009, 04:42:50 PM
Ok here's some copy paste and edit from a other dclone builder:

Non Hrm classiq EQ is the oldest style of dumble amp. A bit more rooted in the
raw fenderish tone. This is the amp that made his reputation. This
would be like early Lindley, Browne, Lowell George, the first
incarnation of his amps.
It can sustain like a mofo! It is a singing OD for sure.
Not much compression, very touch sensitive and dynamic....

Second the Non-HRM Skyliner EQ  low plate is a variation of the above. Dumble modded
several of his older amps with a new tone stack he was developing,
know as the skyline eq because it's output viewed on a scope resembled
a city skyline.
It is a little less Fender but still a somewhat lower gain affair. It
has the same gain as the vintage amp but the new EQ is more "signature dumble" and a little less Fender. Improved cleans from th Vintage model.
It still sustains like a mofo, has a bit better string to string definition and is a little more refined in the tone shaping.

Non-HRM Skyliner EQ  high plate is where he went next, same as above but now the
gain staging is not classic fender. It has more headroom, definition, and punch, more lively and responsive cleans, smoother OD, and a small bit of compression, very touch sensitive, lots of sweet singing tones.

HRM Skyliner EQ   HRM stands for
"Hot Rubber Monkey". This is a second tone stack just for the OD
channel. It is more or less a Marshall style tone stack this allows tone
shaping of the OD independent of the cleans.
A real Dumble of this ilk would be called a Skyline HRM. Smooth as silk, goes from clean to mean like no ones biz. Transition
between is amazing. You can pick clean, a bit dirty, grinding, soaring, all
with your hand and all smoothly with definition. No rasp or buzz. Very refined. Gorgeous smooth tones. A little more compression that the above amps but not in a bad way. Very natural. The dynamic response is second to none. This amps feels like it breathes with you after awhile.
Smooth singing overdrive, completely dynamic, never any rasp or buzz, no IM distortion or other uglies.

Blues Master. Think raw early Fender/Marshall
tone on steroids. The tone stack is decidedly bassman territory,
however because of Dumbles many other difference it is far better IMO.
The cleans here are the best cleans I think I have ever heard, dumble
or otherwise. The cleans will sing and sustain!!! The OD is much less smooth and much less compressed than the above amps. It has some early Marshall vibe to it. Boosted cleans with this amp are to die for. The OD is a bit more raw and edgy then some of the other offerings but with boosted cleans you get the smooth side of things and with the OD you have a less polite and refined tone.
Somewhat like the first Dumbles, though different. Lots of punch, sustain and singing but not as smooth as some of the other offerings. This one can be thick and dense too. Not dark and crappy, just "meaty"...
Open clean cleans to mean and a little rude.
Big fat sick blues machine. Lots of character or soul. This amp will try and steal you girl.Like a tuxedo on a cowboy?.... It can play nice but it can still stomp in the dirt.
last is the same as above with the HRM OD tone stack which gives a little more tone shaping and refining in the OD section.

FWIW Non_Hrm Skyliner EQ High plater is basically the OTS


Title: Re: Can anyone offer a brief TONE summary between the different OTS types please?
Post by: woodshed on October 08, 2009, 11:26:14 AM
Thanks for this, really. This is very helpful yet still a little confusing as it references Dumble's time line. I am still hoping for a descriptive list of Ceriatone "d-clones" on the website. Right now it has this:
 
Overtone Special
Overtone Special 100

Overtone S&M Special

Overtone HRM
Overtone HRM 100

Overtone HRM Bluesmaster
Overtone HRM Bluesmaster 100   

Does one have a pre-gain e.q. or post-gain e.q.?
Which ones have what?
What does the stock OTS have/do?
What is difference between the stock OTS & S&M Special?
What is the difference between the stock OTS S&M Special & the HRM?
What is the difference between the HRM & HRM Bluesmaster?

As a potential buyer & one gathering information about an amp I can't put my hands on before I buy, I think each amp needs a description section. Something like....the stock Overtone Special is a 2-channel amp with 3 toggle switches which re-voice (what: 1 or both channels?). The toggle switches, located on the front of the amp, are: rock/jazz, mid-boost & bright. (are any of these foot switchable?) Tone controls are passive bass, mid & treble shared by both channels. The foot switch does.....what?     

Curious......If I had to guess, would the non-HRM classic eq on the Dumble be what Eric Johnson used on the Austin City Limits video & his Total Electric Guitar video?


Title: Re: Can anyone offer a brief TONE summary between the different OTS types please?
Post by: mcinku on October 09, 2009, 03:28:58 AM
Overtone Special (2x&L6) Skyliner nonHRM
Overtone Special 100 (4x6L6)  Skyliner nonHRM
Very smooth and warm sounding OD, lots of OD on tap but not as much as S&M, mid heavy cleans (in a good way). Amp that likes to sustain and compress. Easy amp to play... All knobs at noon and you have a sound to work with.

Overtone S&M Special Skyliner nonHRM
Overall brighter amp compared to standard OTS... clean tone is more or less the same (just a tad brighter), on the other hand OD is brighter, more aggressive sounding. Like OTS this amp likes to sustains. In my experience this amp is not designed to switch from clean to OD on the fly. You have to set the clean and stick with it... than go to OD, set the tone again and play that for a while.

Overtone Skyliner HRM
Overtone Skyliner HRM 100
Clean tone is practically the same as OTS or S&M. With additional tonestack at the OD stage this amp offers more flexibility, along with other switchable options (like deep or pull bright on the OD), this amp offers the most tone selections compared to other amps Ceriatone offers. Overall this amp has less OD on tap compared to nonHRM amps, it will not sustain as much as nonHRM and it somehow makes you work for the tone. That's my feeling about this amp.

Overtone HRM Bluesmaster
Overtone HRM Bluesmaster 100 
This amp is completely different. It has different cleans compared to amps above... cleans are more mid scooped, more fendery if you wish but with a lot of low end. This amp possesses a punch like no other amp. Again not as much OD as nonHRM, this amp makes you work for the tone too (very dynamic).

I played all of them... well all of 50W versions. I didn't play the 100W amps, which should give you even bigger tone.
Each amp is special and you can't really go wrong, if you're into D tone. I have met people buying these amps and later on discovered this amp is not really what they were after... but that's what it is all about - finding your tone isn't it.
 ;)

All what was said above is based on my own experience and it might differ from what other will say. Tone is a subjective thing after all isn't it.


Title: Re: Can anyone offer a brief TONE summary between the different OTS types please?
Post by: Tone Control on January 26, 2013, 12:34:42 PM
I've had a BM50 for 2-3 years
Before that I had a Fuchs ODS30
I did have an OTS, I found it was a little more like a Super - not as clean (with an EVM12) as the BM with a Celestion Gold
Now I have an HRM100, and it is much cleaner than the BM50
Is this normal, or did the builder change something?


Title: Re: Can anyone offer a brief TONE summary between the different OTS types please?
Post by: mcinku on January 26, 2013, 01:50:07 PM
Now I have an HRM100, and it is much cleaner than the BM50
Is this normal, or did the builder change something?

By my experiance I would say that's normal...


Title: Re: Can anyone offer a brief TONE summary between the different OTS types please?
Post by: Tone Control on January 26, 2013, 05:35:58 PM
Now I have an HRM100, and it is much cleaner than the BM50
Is this normal, or did the builder change something?

By my experiance I would say that's normal...

hi mckinku, you had previously said "Overtone Skyliner HRM 100
Clean tone is practically the same as OTS or S&M. "

But the OTS I had was much less clean than this HRM100 I just acquired
Not complaining, just want to know what advise to give others, the OTS was built by Nik, the HRM100 by MJW


Title: Re: Can anyone offer a brief TONE summary between the different OTS types please?
Post by: mcinku on January 27, 2013, 03:47:25 PM
hi mckinku, you had previously said "Overtone Skyliner HRM 100
Clean tone is practically the same as OTS or S&M. "

But the OTS I had was much less clean than this HRM100 I just acquired
Not complaining, just want to know what advise to give others, the OTS was built by Nik, the HRM100 by MJW

What I wanted to say is that preamps are very much a like... the power amp will obviously change things, specially if we compare 50W to a 100W amp.


Title: Re: Can anyone offer a brief TONE summary between the different OTS types please?
Post by: Animalboy71 on January 12, 2014, 09:01:22 PM
I'm interested in this as well. I'm trying to decide on an OTS or the Steel String Singer.

I play tele's and I like the "edge of break-up" sound. I was thinking the Skyliner because the Ceriatone site says it's chimey but after reading this thread I have no idea, lol.


Title: Re: Can anyone offer a brief TONE summary between the different OTS types please?
Post by: plasticvonaband on July 31, 2014, 06:32:20 PM
I play a big fat esquire a lot of the time, and the BM is great when you push the clean side to the edge with a nice clean boost or modify the PAB to the original value or both :) It's probably just what you're after

Gregg