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Bring back the Overtone

Of course.. yes..  ;D

Another yes vote for the Overtone :chairdance:

You definitely have my vote...


BRING IT BACK, BRING IT BACK....

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I'm there with everybody else................. bring it back!!
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Bring it back

Ceriatone rule...............................................

I have had 4 amps from Nik... the best!!

Hello all,

  Thanks for the support.

  I am just cheering up from all thats happened. Seeing how my memory isnt good at all these days, I might forget and suddenly think " Oh yeah the D amp! Why not name it Overtone..ah..good name!"  ;D

  We shall see.

  In the meantime, do enjoy...!

  thanks!

Nik

 

Mmmm.. I think I like that name after all... ;D

Overtone.. yes.. seems nice...

I don´t know what that "D" amp is ;D.. wonder what it is..  but I´m sure it´ll be great if you decide to sell it  8)

 ;)

Now for a more serious message.... You know that everybody will respect your decision, no matter what it is... but you can guess what is my (and many others) wish...

All the best

Rui

I say bring it back! Hey, others are making nothing more than thinly disguised variations of the legendary ODS amp, I don't know why Nik is taking so much heat about his version. As long as no patents or trademarks are infringed upon, go for it!! 8) 8) 8)

FWIW, someone I know was on the recieving end of a Mr. "D"  hose job, as in paying for an ODS and never getting it. Been almost 20 years now, still no amp.

Well there are many clones of all these beloved amps that are made by small boutique amp builders  that I won't mention here. These individuals are very threatened by Nik's amps, because they are high quality and very affordable. He also demystifies the ridiculous hype that these amps have by offering them quickly and with high quality.


These amp guys really get upset when someone is competing with them on a design, that they themselves have borrowed. ???

Funny thing, if Nik charged the outrageous prices that the other cloners do, then there would be no issue, but the fact that Nik offers a great product for a great price, really threatens these builders.

I build and design tube amps for myself, and sell them occasionally to friends and others. And I know the costs involved.

Anyway, Nik if your reading this, build away forget the naysayers, keep up the great work! ;D

B+, this is the kind of post that starts all the trouble.    Nik has made it clear that there would be NO Ceriatone Overtone if not for the many years of research and development by the very "overpriced cloners" you mention.    Nobody is threatened.   I have a personal relationship with all of these guys and talk to them on a regular basis.    I assure you there is no problem.   The problem is posts like yours.    Although not your intention, it  incorrectly assumes the motivations for a good part of what created the flak and insults the pioneers whose shoulders Nik is standing on.  Maybe Nik will chime in.... 

Furthermore, nobody has compared an Overtone to any of the clones or the real deal.   So any quality and/or tone comparisons cannot possibily be made until after somebody gets one AND compares it.     There is a lot of intricacies to building and tuning these.   More so than any other Ceriatone.    That is why there are forums like Ampgarage.    Nik admittedly used the research posted by an associate of one of the "ripoff" builders to design the Overtone!!   Kind of hypocritical to slam here then..... Nik would never do that.

Charging about three thousand for an American made amp with 30 plus hours of labor in it, full warranty, thicker higher grade aluminum chassis, and high quality American made trannies, is not a ripoff.     It is more than a Ceriatone, but they are much different in many areas.   To some it is worth it.   Factor in the cost of the R&D, insurance, cost of USA labor, etc, you can see nobody is getting rich making these.     

Ceriatone is certainly a good value alternative but it is apples to oranges at the moment.   Please try and not be insulting to the other builders.   Without them, there would be no Ceriatone Overtone.     There is room for everybody and nobody has forced or threatened Niks hand in any way.    If he feels liek offering an Overtone model, prebuilt, that is his decision.    He has to decide whether it is profitable at his price point given the several days construction time....

Respectfully,

Scott

C´mon B+55... let´s not bring that kind of discussion over here too...

;)

I second that sentiment. REGARDLESS of how everybody feels, enough has been said on both sides of the fence (if there even is one) to last a lifetime.
Forums have been locked, (and now thankfully open again) members on both sides have had their collective pee pee`s whacked by numerous moderators, and now that the dust has settled and decisions have been made, it`s time to accept those decisions for now and move on.

:)

Stop being so sensible Chuck!!   Btw, how is the Ulbrick amp?

Hiya Scott, Chuck and everyone else! :)

I hope the Ceriatone kicks ass since I have one order! ;)


cheers

Marin

Hi Scott:

The Ulbrick Sound Venue 30 Verbovibe 1 x 12 combo (6L6, Class A, Cathode Biased) is a kick ass small to large sized club amp that that REALLY sounds and feels spectacular. SWEET, singing mids, perfect highs, and huge lows. NOT a Dumble clone by any stretch of the imagination, yet eerily reminiscent of that tone, feel, and vibe. Very hard in feel, and very articulate, yet quite "easy" to play at the same time. Quite unique as far as amps I've played to date. A keeper for sure. The 12AXE pedal and the Verbovibe are a match made in heaven, and are (obviously) crafted to work hand in hand. I'm also awaiting the arrival of the Stadium 80 Special head (KT77's) and the matching 2 x 12 low profile cab.
BTW, both Larry Carlton and Robben Ford left Australia ealier this year with a Verbovibe and a 12AXE each. RF is also currently waiting delivery of his Stadium 80 Special head as well. BOTH players also have Dave Ulbrick's 212Lp cabs. RF's Stadium 80 Special is a high powered version. Dave Ulbrick stated he was alsmost deaf after spening 5 hours one afternoon with RF testing his Dumble, the Verbovibe, the Stadium 80, a really nice sounding old Twin Reverb, plus numerous speakers. Dave said it was only fitting that Robben ordered the Stadium 80 head in a high powered version after listening to him play that afternoon. He ordered the high powered version to maintain the headroom he (RF) likes at the HIGH volumes he plays at.

:)

PS: Now back to our regular programming and the Ceriatone Overtone Special. Apologies for the commercial break.  :)

Hey everybody, if you haven't put your 2 cents in the poll at the top of this thread please do so. The more positive input we have the more likely it is that Nik will change his mind on the Overtone.

I think that bringing this back will be the ultimate slap in the face to those opposers, and will be true competition.  Leo Fender, Jim Marshall, and even Dumble himself all borrowed designs from others.  If somebody can do it at a lower price, then they should be able to do it.

With that being said, think of how many orders there are going to be when the Overtone is released again.  It would be a fair assumption that 30 of the voters will want one, and many others as well. 

I would be happy if Nik considered building it only for those truly interested.  In other words - current customers who plead, and, potential customers who beg beg beg  :-[ 

Maybe it doesn't need to be general knowledge that they're being built.

I may still buy the parts and build it myself as much as I can then get help from a local amp tech.  I really want this amp...hehe

Hehe.

What's that Nik? haha

Bring it back for sure, I bet more people want it than don't want it. Several companies are cloning these amps as well - look at fuchs, two rock, etc....It's not like you're doing anything different, besides selling one at an affordable price. Some people (as in whoever disagreed with the overtone's production)  are probably just still upset because of the whole TW nameplate thing, which you changed anyway. That might sound ridiculous, but I won't go into why. (although, it's already obvious). Just because some people are a bit angry about you making an amp, that shouldn't mean you should stop doing it.

At least make a few for your best tone deprived customers on this forum ;) (I realize that isn't actually true, since we all own Ceriatones, but whatever...haha..)

 8)

hehe

 ;D

100% of votes (38 people so far) say "YES" to bringing back the Overtone.
0% say "NO".

Looks like a loud and clear message from all. ;D (here's hoping!)

Yes, definitely, bring back the Overtone for 2008 !

Hi,

  Err...OK.

  It's back, until further notice.

Thanks!

Nik

 :o :o :o


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Yahoo!!! :chairdance:

ScottL makes a lot of claims or are they assumptions? .... I wonder whether Scott has tested/compared a Ceriatone Overtone with "the real deal"? If he has then maybe he should share his finding with us.

I have tested an Overtone, can't say if it is anything like a Dumble, but it rock's. I've just ordered one, if you try ordering one too from Nik, I am quite sure he will build one for you too.

Scott Lerner is a very accomplished authority on all things Dumble.   He has first hand knowledge and experience with most if not all the Dumble voiced amps out there.  If you want that sound it is in your best interest to listen to him.  He certainly speaks with.....um.... confidence...lol.. but he has been chasing this tone for years and has earned the right.   If he says that an amp sounds bad it isn't necessarily "bad" just not in line with the tone he is focused on reproducing. Monster player, too....but sometimes I wish he would just dumb it down a little and play a simple 1,4,5....lol.

ChrisL

Chris, I don't doubt that Scott knows what is talking about, but when he mentions comparing apples to oranges, it conjures up interpretations that one product maybe superior to another. We should all avoid making any such claims unless one has actually done an A/B comparison. I questioned whether he has done this?

Cheers

Junction,

I know what you're sayin.  I've come to realize that when SL compares apples and oranges it's more like spartans vs golden delicious......oranges aren't even a part of the conversation.    ;D   

It's back...oooo yeah!

I have a friend (currently on tour in Europe) that is a major player, opening (at various times) for Steve Vai, Clapton, The Allman Bros. Band, B.B. King among others that has been screwed after ordering the D***** ODS. He made the fateful mistake of calling to inquire about when he might receive it. He called 8 months AFTER ordering and paying for it. This is now 15 months later and he still doesn't have it. The D***** company is notorious for this behavior. If you call them to ask about what you paid $14,000 up front for, they put it totally on the back burner evidently, and make sure it's a cold day in hell before you get it.

My friend ended up purchasing 2 Overtone S&M's (just like I did a couple of weeks ago) and he is ecstatic with them. He uses a 4x12 cabinet and says the amps literally screams.

If he ever gets his amp... he can sell it and buy Ceriatone.
 ;D ;D
Just kidding of course

when i saw this thread it scared the shit out of me ;D

i didn't know that Dumble was still accepting orders? 14k? is that the price of an ODS?

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i didn't know that Dumble was still accepting orders? 14k? is that the price of an ODS?
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 Better hurry up and get on the list. Fortunately you have the OTS to play while you are waiting for delivery!

i didn't know that Dumble was still accepting orders? 14k? is that the price of an ODS?
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 Better hurry up and get on the list. Fortunately you have the OTS to play while you are waiting for delivery!
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i didn't want to order one.... I'm simply curious.

Just joking!

That is what I was told, that he paid $14K for the D***** ODS, 50 watt. They (evidently) were taking orders almost 2 years ago when he ordered it, as far as delivering? Who knows.

I do know that the two amps he is using he loves and now is only concerned with the $$$ he spent for something he may or may not receive at some undetermined point in the future. I'm sure he still would like to eventually take possession of the D*****, but if not, he just wants his money back. He may have to get the "L" word involved, but that would cost him more than the amp did! Where is the honor in companies these days?

Nik has a stellar reputation and does deliver. That is written in stone. Plus if you email him he doesn't get pissed off. He answers you, period. THAT is customer service.

Besides, why pay $14K for something you can get for $1100 - $1300??? And the sound is phenomenal. What's to worry?

Question: Why does this thread scare the shit out of you?

Because it originates from way back, from a time when Nik was getting a huge amount of flak from 'interested parties' (ie competitors who charge a lot more than him) and he took the OTS off his list of amps.

Such was the support and clamour to get in back he did reinstate it and the resurrection of this thread raised a fleeting concern that it might have happened again.