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« on: February 29, 2012, 03:43:50 AM »
Anybody can tell us if the Bluesmaster circuit is an actual D**** clone? If yes, who used it, what's its history, etc...? And is the OTS BM an excat D**** clone or a vague copy?? Interested to know, as I just realized I really have almost no info on my fave ceriatone amp. Like you know;  the 183 or the FM are close clones of the original circuits, but what about the BM??? Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2012, 05:17:12 AM »
Dumbles are pretty much impossible to copy, because mr. Dumble had his ways of hiding his tricks.. So I think there's not a single ceriatone dumble-clone that would be an exact copy. Then again: no 2 dumble's are and sound alike...

Nik describes the bluesmaster as a 'Larry Carlton' style Dumble. But nowadays it has the JM (John Mayer) mod stock. More info: contact Nik   ;-)
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« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2012, 10:09:10 AM »
Quote from: laurens on February 29, 2012, 05:17:12 AM
Dumbles are pretty much impossible to copy, because mr. Dumble had his ways of hiding his tricks.. So I think there's not a single ceriatone dumble-clone that would be an exact copy. Then again: no 2 dumble's are and sound alike...

Nik describes the bluesmaster as a 'Larry Carlton' style Dumble. But nowadays it has the JM (John Mayer) mod stock. More info: contact Nik   ;-)

Hi laurens - thanks for the info. On the other hand, I think what was true 10 or 15 years ago, isn't true nowadays. Indeed, many dumbles have been exactly copied, some de-gooed, some circuits float around, etc...The mystique has evaporated, & clones are as good or better than the original (yeah I know, lynch mob awaits me - but I'm a realist, not a mystic. Nik's amps - my 2 amps anyways - are far superior to any boutique or vintage amp I know, & don't use printed circuit boards like Dumble did.)

I am interested however to have the Bluesmaster pedigree discussed on this forum & to see different users input. Let's leave Nik at his magic & not distract him from the upcoming SSS...
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« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2012, 10:33:35 AM »
Quote from: Homesick Hanes on February 29, 2012, 10:09:10 AM
The mystique has evaporated, & clones are as good or better than the original ... ... don't use printed circuit boards like Dumble did.)


there isn't any mystic about printed circuit board, a good design(pcb or eyelet board) is responsible. Anyway Nik is using PCB for the relay boards now. Not that is gonna sound worse...
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« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2012, 10:37:25 AM »
Quote from: erwin_ve on February 29, 2012, 10:33:35 AM
Quote from: Homesick Hanes on February 29, 2012, 10:09:10 AM
The mystique has evaporated, & clones are as good or better than the original ... ... don't use printed circuit boards like Dumble did.)


there isn't any mystic about printed circuit board, a good design(pcb or eyelet board) is responsible. Anyway Nik is using PCB for the relay boards now. Not that is gonna sound worse...

I agree - a good amp sounds good - enuff said & a good design can be PCB or PTP,etc...(However, I'm a firm believer in the old methods, & PTP is always superior to me. Better in sound, in looks, & in reliability.)
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« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2012, 11:05:58 AM »
Quote from: Homesick Hanes on February 29, 2012, 10:37:25 AM
Quote from: erwin_ve on February 29, 2012, 10:33:35 AM
Quote from: Homesick Hanes on February 29, 2012, 10:09:10 AM
The mystique has evaporated, & clones are as good or better than the original ... ... don't use printed circuit boards like Dumble did.)


there isn't any mystic about printed circuit board, a good design(pcb or eyelet board) is responsible. Anyway Nik is using PCB for the relay boards now. Not that is gonna sound worse...

I agree - a good amp sounds good - enuff said & a good design can be PCB or PTP,etc...(However, I'm a firm believer in the old methods, & PTP is always superior to me. Better in sound, in looks, & in reliability.)

Agreed! and it's much easier to mod and maintain. I hate PCB mod jobs; a nightmare Tongue
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« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2012, 04:02:51 PM »
Quote from: Homesick Hanes on February 29, 2012, 03:43:50 AM
Anybody can tell us if the Bluesmaster circuit is an actual D**** clone? If yes, who used it, what's its history, etc...? And is the OTS BM an excat D**** clone or a vague copy?? Interested to know, as I just realized I really have almost no info on my fave ceriatone amp. Like you know;  the 183 or the FM are close clones of the original circuits, but what about the BM??? Thanks for sharing.

Yes the Bluesmaster was an Actual Dumble Voicing Offered. Larry Carlton used a Bluesmaster Voiced Dumble ODS 100w for a while during the late 90's . That Bluemaster was then traded out for a Dumble ODS with the Ripper voicing. Usually now a days Larry Carlton brings both ODS's on tour but only one is used.

Sonny Landreth also plays a 100w Dumble ODS with "Bluemaster" voicing

 Dumble still offers the "Bluesmaster", "Ripper" and "Mega Plex" voicing to this day.
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« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2012, 09:52:21 PM »
Quote from: Homesick Hanes on February 29, 2012, 10:09:10 AM
I think what was true 10 or 15 years ago, isn't true nowadays. Indeed, many dumbles have been exactly copied, some de-gooed, some circuits float around, etc...

This may be somewhat true, but if a person has, or is describing a Dumble clone and stating it is an exact copy of a certain Dumble amp, he should technically preface it with the number of the exact amp it was copied. Like #124 or #183. Since there was differences between the different amps.

Here's a lot of information regarding the different Dumble circuits that many of the clones are based.

http://ampgarage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11906
http://ampgarage.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=ece896a72045288f9158c5a9cdfa50fa
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« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2012, 10:19:35 PM »
Wow...very helpful links for the inquisitive, great for due diligence knowledge...
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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2012, 03:36:44 AM »
Thanks for all this insight..... Sonny Landreth - I love this guy. His playing, tone, karma...what can I say? Wow, & he plays a bluesmaster??? On the last "Crossroads - Eric Clapton" DVD, he sounded - & played - like a giant. So much so that I went & checked what was his favourite speakers, only to discover that he uses  V30s, or the G12H30/V30 mix. All this to tell you how much I dug his tone. 
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