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« on: November 02, 2007, 04:50:34 PM »
Hi guys,

As some of you may know, I was one of the ones that posted negative things regarding Nik's ODS amp.

I wanted to apologize for lots of misunderstanding and point out what the real issue was, at least for me (and I was a main troublemaker).

In a nutshell, a lot of guys on TGP were saying very negative things about the other builders of this type of amp.     I was trying to stick up for them by pointing out that Nik used info from Ampgarage, actually posted at the request of someone affiliated with one of the companies that were being insulted.    In hindsight, I should have stayed out.

In the end, I do apologize to Nik for associating him with this behaviour, even though he had nothing to do with it.

Now, onto the positives.    You guys should check out Ampgarage if you either get a kit or a build from Nik.    The guys there are extremely knowledgeable and always helpful.

In the end, everyone is just after good tone and fun playing.

Scott
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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2007, 05:05:40 PM »
I second that. Put all the bad blood aside and let's concentrate on the one thing we can agree...making good music  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2007, 05:07:00 PM »
I'll third that.  Bickering amongst ourselves distracts us from the true point - we all want great guitar tone, and if building or buying a D-clone is the way to that tone, then we should embrace all options. 
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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2007, 05:35:17 PM »
Scott,

I do appreciate all the effort you and many others have made on the amp building scene. Really. I am being sincere (and I am user at the Ampgarage forum too). The amount of info there concerning the Trainwrecks and Dumbles is priceless..

I really wished none of this happened... because in my eyes... everybody lost... me (and many others) as a potential buyer of an affordable Dumble clone.... Nik and Ceriatone... and also the Ampgarage forum and people.

I hope all these "sour feelings" can be layed to rest... nobody needs it. 

I´ll second what "Weathered" wrote and just add, like the Beatles once sung: "All we need is tone" (mmmmm.. maybe that´s not 100% right.. but anyway you get the point Cheesy )...

Cheers...
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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2007, 05:40:00 PM »
Al, not for nothing, but I heard the discontinuation may have been due to "overwhleming demand."     I don't think it was because of any flak.    Look at the Expression.   10X the flak but available.     This circuit takes a really long time to build.   Nothing like a Wreck.

I hope that is the case because it would suck for a lot of guys if Nik decides to not offer the amp.  Especially since I don't see anymore negativity.

Quote from: Alpedra on November 02, 2007, 05:35:17 PM
Scott,

I do appreciate all the effort you and many others have made on the amp building scene. Really. I am being sincere (and I am user at the Ampgarage forum too). The amount of info there concerning the Trainwrecks and Dumbles is priceless..

I really wished none of this happened... because in my eyes... everybody lost... me (and many others) as a potential buyer of an affordable Dumble clone.... Nik and Ceriatone... and also the Ampgarage forum and people.

I hope all these "sour feelings" can be layed to rest... nobody needs it. 

I´ll second what "Weathered" wrote and just add, like the Beatles once sung: "All we need is tone" (mmmmm.. maybe that´s not 100% right.. but anyway you get the point Cheesy )...

Cheers...
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2007, 02:20:34 AM »
Hey Scott,

Good of you to chime in.  I love your playing, your wisdom and your passion.

 I actually kind of like all the heated debate of the TGP amp forum as long as it stays debate with well thought out opinions.  It's when the name calling and posts like,,,,"wooptifreekindo" from grown men that I cash out.  I enjoy your posts because you have a point and they are always good ones.  Good debate is healthy to keep the blood flowing in this 60 year old technology.
 
 I tend to agree that Nik may have been swamped with requests and as you mentioned there is a lot of time and concentration in these builds.  This ain't no tweed....lol.

When I look back now it is entirely possible that I had a small hand in Nik's decision to halt production.  I posted on several forums about the amp "being built" and there must have been at least 25 people email me personally for details.  This was long before the amp was publicly announced on Nik's site.  But, who knows.

Cheers,

ChrisL
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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2007, 03:30:17 AM »
Quote from: scottl on November 02, 2007, 04:50:34 PM
Hi guys,

As some of you may know, I was one of the ones that posted negative things regarding Nik's ODS amp.

I wanted to apologize for lots of misunderstanding and point out what the real issue was, at least for me (and I was a main troublemaker).

In a nutshell, a lot of guys on TGP were saying very negative things about the other builders of this type of amp.     I was trying to stick up for them by pointing out that Nik used info from Ampgarage, actually posted at the request of someone affiliated with one of the companies that were being insulted.    In hindsight, I should have stayed out.

In the end, I do apologize to Nik for associating him with this behaviour, even though he had nothing to do with it.

Now, onto the positives.    You guys should check out Ampgarage if you either get a kit or a build from Nik.    The guys there are extremely knowledgeable and always helpful.

In the end, everyone is just after good tone and fun playing.

Scott

GREAT post Scott!

It's my hope as well that all of this is laid to rest and we can all get on with the tonal quest that dirves so many of us.

Take care

Chuck Smiley

PS: Great to talk to you on the phone today.
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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2007, 02:29:12 PM »
Here Here!

Lets leave the negative behind!

Yay for positive thinking and doing.

BETTER TONE FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!!!

Andy Baylor
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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2007, 04:35:06 PM »
Scott,

  Thanks.

  I am not very sure on what happened at TGP regarding the latest issue. I dont think I even have the heart to really delve deep, just some cursory glance.
 
  I dont have issues with anybody.

  It's understandable, at the spur of the moment, that things can be said. It's easy to press enter.

  So, I do hope that all is cool, and my apologies if my actions hurt you, or anybody else.

  Thanks!

Nik
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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2007, 09:36:03 PM »
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Here Here!

Lets leave the negative behind!

Yay for positive thinking and doing.

BETTER TONE FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!!!

Andy Baylor

Amen to that Grin
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2007, 03:18:26 PM »
Not to wreck anybody's plane. But I tried to post (well, actually I POSTED) a link to a guy playing what I assume is a Ceriatone TW clone and guess what?
It was deleted! Vanished in the air!
How's that for kindness and respect? I feel so warm inside... Chair Dance
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2007, 02:32:46 AM »
Quote from: Paul86 on November 08, 2007, 03:18:26 PM
Not to wreck anybody's plane. But I tried to post (well, actually I POSTED) a link to a guy playing what I assume is a Ceriatone TW clone and guess what?
It was deleted! Vanished in the air!
How's that for kindness and respect? I feel so warm inside... Chair Dance

Was that on TGP?
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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2007, 11:13:30 AM »
Oops,
Yes, it was on TGP.
You can find the links here no problem in the soundfiles section.
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