Ceriatone Forum

I am 8 weeks into a 10 week projected wait on a Ceriatone Overtone.  I chose the amp after listening to sound clips and e-mailing several of you from this board.  Thank you, btw.

After reading many of the posts hear I have also ordered the Kleinulator to be able to righteously add a little delay and/or reverb to the tone.  I have never used an effects loop in over 25yrs of playing off and on, as I found no need for it with the amps I have/had. All reverb equipped btw. mostly Fender tube amps.  Very few effects.

I have looked at the Kleinulator and it has input jacks labeled " output, return, send, and input"  It also has two bright switches on top with chicken head knobs labeled send, return and recovery.  I realize when my toys get here and I want to add a bit of reverb in the loop I have absolutely NO idea how to hook this Kleinulator thing up.  Of course, that explains clearly why I bought the fully complete amp with the chasis.

After you snicker a bit at my ignorance I'd appreciate some help so I can get started right outta the box.  I am not sure whether Nik packs any accompanying docs for techno dummies so I thought I'd get ahead of the curve here.  Thanks in advance.

I understand the "on" switch, that it is needed to enable me to use pedals in the loop without loss of tone and how the power supply input works...that's about it ???

Hi
I'm in the same boat as you. I have ordered the Kleinulator as well. Hooking up is simple I giess. You just connect the amp send to the input of the Kleinulator and the amps return to the output.
amp send----> Kleinulator input
Kleinulator output-------> amp return
Then you hook up your effects to the send and return of the kleinulator.
Keinulator send-----> input effect
Output effect------>Kleinulator return
I guess you want to make sure the reverb is after the delay.

My questions

Some tips about the level settings would be appreciated. What is the  "Recovery"?
What would be a good strategy to set the levels?

Plus why would you need a bright switch? You want the tone to be unaffected as much as possible right?

the bright switch is probably there, 'cause time effects (chorus, reverb, delay) back in the 70' - when the original dumbleator was designed - were analog and pretty lousy frequency wise, compared to 2008 digital quality. However, as always use your ears to get the right tone for your playin'

The recovery knob is used to attenuate a really hot signal from your effects unit(s).

Not necessary according to one D-lator builder.

You'd expect that to be handled by the return volume. :-)

Steven thanks for the answers.  I wondered about the bright and recover myself.  I appreciate the additional discussion very much.  I hope some more will chime in with settings and recommendations on the Klein Unit.

Regards and continued thanks.

You're welcome.
Hopefully the inventor himself will answer some questions

No, the return volume controls the total amount of signal that gets sent back to your amp's power section.

Would you plz take the trouble to explain the difference?

Hi
I'm new round here waiting on my overtone Kit. But a similar concern.
Can anyone with experience say what sort of levels (+4 ,0 -3 db etc) you see straight from the FX loop verses a buffered loop. Some good delays and reverbs are capable of handling a broad range of signal levels.
 I'm planning to use a Chandler echo in the loop will this work without the buffered loop?
Thanks  Nick

Maybe Mike can weigh in here with a more detailed explanation, but if you think of your Kleinulator as a preamp, one that can actually add gain, the return control determines how much of the total signal gets sent from the Kleinulator to your amp's power section.  You can actually overdrive your amp's power section by cranking the return control.

The recovery control determines how much signal is allowed from your effects unit back to your Kleinulator.  So, if your effects unit has a hot signal, you can attenuate it so you're not overloading your Kleinulator.

That's the way it was explained to me by the person who built my D-lator.  He went on to say he found it superfluous with most effects units, as they typically have level controls anyway.