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« on: May 04, 2008, 11:42:01 AM »

I'm curious if anyone has tried the overtone, or any other Dumble style amp with a 4x10 cab? I tried a Super Reverb the other day and really liked it for punchy cleans and slightly broken up blues and jazz stuff. It felt really good.

I like the Dumble style lead tones I've heard with the Overtone and G12-65 speaker, but I'm wondering if I might be able to get away with the Overtone as a pseudo blackface amp for cleans with a few different speaker cabs.

Anyone tried this?
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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2008, 12:58:33 PM »

I have tried my OTS with a 4x10 with Jensen P10R's. I've not taken it to rehearsal levels yet (tuesday if I get the head cab finished in time), but at home I'm not experiencing the 'piercing' highs reported here that prompted so many of the mods. I am intending to put together a 2x12 with G12-65's or Emi RW&B's in the near future to compare the two. I won't start making any mods to the amp until then.

Hope thats of some use. Speaker choice seems to be so subjective and a minefield for the inexperienced!.
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2008, 04:01:47 PM »

It's not exactly a DUmble clone, but Matt Schofield uses a 4x10 with his Two Rock Custom Reverb Sig...
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2008, 09:59:35 PM »

I haven't heard of Matt Schofield... what kind of stuff does he play?
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2008, 01:43:41 AM »

I haven't heard of Matt Schofield... what kind of stuff does he play?









Matt plays blues with a significant jazz influence in his style. He was most famous for his '61 strat through a 64 Super Reverb.
He is branching out now with some different gear. He is well worth a listen.
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2008, 09:25:42 AM »

www.mattschofield.com
http://www.myspace.com/mattschofield

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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2008, 12:54:25 PM »

I've played a Fuchs ODS for years using a 2x10 cab that I preferred for that amp after trying all the typical favorite 12 in D type recommended speakers.

For my OTS, I had two baffles made for my combo cab; 1x12 and 2x10. Going through the same exercise, and even using the same speakers as the ODS, I preferred the EVM-12L with the OTS over all others.

Speakers are incredibly important with these amps. I'd suggest optimizing your speaker before doing any other mods to the amp. You may simply be compensating for things you don't like about the speaker, rather than the amp.
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2008, 01:43:25 PM »

Hey guys, Matt Schofield sounds great. Thanks for the tip.

He seems to spend a lot of time on the bridge pickup on his strat, and has a great tone. I'm more addicted to the neck pickup myself. I watched the video on his site and I can spot the two rock as well as a super.


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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2008, 09:43:16 PM »

He uses the Two Rock almost exclusively live now. I believe he's on his second Two Rock, the current one is a 100watter.
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2008, 11:24:29 PM »

It's a great tone (Matt Schofield and Two Rock). It doesn't really resemble what I was going for with the Super Reverb unfortunately.

As a side note, I really admire players who primarily stick to one guitar and one amp (like Matt Schofield). My problem is that I like and can appreciate just about every great guitar and amp there is, and subsequently want to own them all. But in the process it's easy to lose focus of your own sound or style I guess.
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2008, 12:43:07 PM »

Archtop - amen to that!!

I've been guilty myself of wanting to own gear because I like it or because someone else has it.

Finally I've gotten to the stage where I'm trying to pin down the tones I like and that suit my playing.

Case in point, in 2004 I got a Clapton Strat and loved it because at the time I was heavily into EC and playing a lot of his stuff. Then early last year I changed it for a John Mayer Strat for much the same reasons.

Now I have a mongrel strat based on what I liked most about each of them. Body and Neck from an EC Strat but with passive, vintage sounding electronics retrofitted in it. It's my #1 now and I can't imagine I'll ever sell it. I now want another strat, but it will have differently voiced pickups, and a 335 - but all because I want them for how they sound, not because someone else plays one...
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2008, 07:50:11 AM »

sometimes a strat is just a strat.
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2008, 11:43:58 PM »

I can think of times in my life when I owned less stuff (not that I own a lot), where I probably didn't have the greatest tone, but I probably had greater command over that guitar and amp and the sound, simply because I knew it really well.
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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2008, 08:14:33 PM »

It has been a while since anything has been added here, so I don't if this topic is still interesting, but....

Here are my 2 cents on the emulation thing and purchase of the gear your hero plays:

1. We want  to play what we like to hear.
2. It seems as though the fastest way to accomplish that is to have the same gear as the person serving as your inspiration. That is natural and there should be no embarassment about that. Enjoy yourself!
3. BUT! Gear does not make the player. There is a teenage chinese girl on youtube playing an Epiphone Les Paul through a 15w Laney amp and some type of OD pedal and she sounds exactly like Robben Ford (I am not Joking). There is a another teen on Youtube with 10,000 views who is paying "Cliffs of Dover" better than Eric eff'in Johnson!
4. There are two things that need to be addressed if you want to be respected as a guitar player (note: enjoying what you are doing takes precedence over being respected.):
 a.) Your skill.
 b. ) Your tone.
5. Practice and a.) will be taken care of. Try a lot of stuff out and find something that sounds good to you and you have b.)

Obviously, your pocket book has something to do with it all. I have found  that now that I have more money I buy more expensive toys but when it comes time to get down to business I stick with the tried and true. You can find good tone with out breaking the bank, but you have to feel it and hear it personally to know it will be good.

I played the same the same '74 Les Paul Standard and Frankenstrat through a '72 Twin Reverb for 20 plus years. I spent a lot of time choosing that Les Paul and it has always felt and played great. I now have '59 Les Paul reissue (I really like it), some custom strats & tele's that I enjoy and several cool amps (including the OTS). I traded the Twin even up for a  refurbed '66 Super Reverb when it needed new tubes and speakers. Seems as though, 15 years ago,  people did not understand that there would be an irrational demand for BF Supers in 2008. I didn't. Despite all the cool gear, when the rubber meets the road, I am out there with the old Les Paul and Fender AB763 sound. It sounds good and it is predictable for me.

New gear can be fun. Some great guitarists play the same stuff all their lives and others use different gear all the time. Do what works for you. Just make sure that your skill and your tone are the best quality that you are capable of.

End of Sermon.
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