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« on: June 08, 2009, 07:35:45 AM »

I'd like to hear some opinions of the JTM45/100 that Nik produces.

What cabs go great with this?

Marshall 4x12 with G12T-75?
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2009, 10:55:32 PM »

I've had Niks' 45/100 for almost a month now and I really like the tone.I use my over 30yr. old strat style Ibanez guitar on the neck pup and a fuzz that I keep on all the time,I also jump the channels which gives me a deep rich sound. with a turn of my guitars' volume knob i can go from clean to distortion.It's not a heavy metal amp,it lets your picking technic and dynamics come through.
It's a classic rock amp so that if I want long singing sustain and feedback with my setup I have to turn it it up to about 5 or 6 which I haven't done too often because this amp is loud,I mean very,very loud. I LOVE IT.Nik installed a PPIMV which I use at home but at band rehersals I run it out of circuit because I don't need it and it seems to have a slightly better tone.He also installed an external bias so I can check and set the bias myself with no problems.I have heard it said that when you turn a 45 up the bass gets flabby,I haven't had this problem.I have noticed that when I do turn the volume to about 6 I begin to hear faint ghost notes.I haven't asked Nik about this yet because I wanted to do as much research on it before I bothered him with questions about what if anything can be done about it.
This amp has the volume and tone I've been looking for,this is classic Hendrix.
   As far as cabs go I use a Marshall HW1960b which is a great match for me.
I don't know if the 45 has the same tone as the 45/100 just at a lower volume,but again let me warn you if you thinking about getting this amp.
   It is very,very loud.
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2009, 11:50:26 PM »

I have the JTM45, am looking to get the 45/100 in the near future.

The ghost notes is probably the speakers, rather than the amp?

I think the speakers in the HW 1960B are G12H30 Heritage.
Ouch! 120W handling, probably the cause of the ghost notes.

Have you tried it with a regular 1960B? Those loaded with G12T-75s. Those are rathed 300W handling.

Btw, thanks seekers.
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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2009, 01:10:16 AM »

 Yeah, I didn't like the scooped mids of the regular 1960b cabs and when I use my fender super reverb to push my HW1960b I don't hear the ghost notes.But like I said earlier it's very faint and at 6 i'm extremely loud. Also if I just run through a single channel at that high volume the ghost notes are even harder to hear.I love the sound the HW1960b gives me with this amp so if it turns out to be the cab then I am going to have to live with it because to y ears they were made for each other..
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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2009, 06:59:37 AM »

Time to pair in a 1960AHW Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2009, 04:57:24 PM »

seeker -
Nice review.
If the ghosting continues, you may want to try/get Nik's opinion on increasing the B+ filtering.
Good Luck
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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2009, 07:36:08 PM »

lightice thanks for this thread and yes  the HW1960A cab is what I want next.
  hired hand thanks for your words also.
 Nik and his people built this kit and did a great job,but what I want to do in the future is order an unasembled kit and have the satisfaction of building it myself so that when builders like hired hand talks about B+ filtering I'll know what he's talking about (HA,HA).
      I've been reading the forums that have builders talking about different aspects of mods and repairs to learn as much as I can because I don't want to ask questions about something you guys may think I should already know.
 Again lightice thanks for starting this thread and hired hand for your insight,hopefully others will chime in and my knowledge will grow.
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2009, 01:38:06 AM »

NP, I too wish to learn like you.

Its great that you've contributed to this thread.

I have no idea where B+ is located in any amps, but from what I've gathered, its the voltage supplied to the circuit.

I've a couple of Nik's amps and would like to get the JTM45/100, just that I'm not sure what to pair it with.
And Nik doesn't make 4x12s, so getting a suitable cab and speaker combo here is kinda tough.

Btw Seeker, are you or any amp tech in your area able to measure the RMS and peak output of this beast?
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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2009, 07:58:13 AM »

B+, an explanation from someone who 2 yearsa ago thought it was an essay grade!

The rectified output from the power transformer is still a bit AC'ish in that its not a constant voltage, with residual peaks and troughs. The smoothing caps aim to do just that, remove these peaks and troughs and allow the supply to the amp to be a smooth DC.
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2009, 09:48:50 AM »

Thanks hywelg,

Btw, I gather that a JTM45/100 B+ should be high, 500V? Or thereabouts, but I see the PT in nik's layout  supplying 360V, noob question, but how did 360V get to 500+? I think this is the plate voltages.

I know after rectifying, you get whatever is put into the rectifier circuit. Albeit peaky and what not which requires filtering.
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2009, 07:18:56 PM »

lightice from what I understand these old school amps are generally rated at RMS. In other words a 45/100 would be anywhere between 80 and 100 RMS,hope that helps.
  Also the comments of hired hand and hywelg have led me to not only to research B+ filtering but also what role the choke plays in filtering.
 I guess I'll check the choke size and ma. at a later date after more research since it seems that it along with the filtering cap could also be the culprit.
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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2009, 03:30:06 AM »

Yup, they're rated at RMS, but there's a way to calculate the actual output. George from metro did run thru it before. Something about using some meter on the output and sending a sine wave thru the input.

Then doing some calculation.

If you every do get to find out what's wrong, please do let Nik know, he continues to develop and refine his products based on customer feedback. I'm sure he'll want to know what's the problem and help you solve it.
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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2009, 04:45:53 AM »

Have you checked your bias lately?  A mismatch in the output tubes can cause this problem.  Not a mismatch of 4 or 5 MA, but something a little more extreme.  Does not matter how new your tubes are, they can take a shit on you at anytime.  By the way, have you tried a different set of tubes?
Again, I would not hesitate to contact Nik. He seems to have a genuine concern/interest in his customers.  I am sure this problem can be fixed.  Especially considering how pleased you seem to be with this amp; it really needs to get corrected.
Good Luck
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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2009, 01:41:01 PM »

hired hand the highest ma is 40 the lowest 34 on the power tubes.
 I'll try another set of tubes as soon as I can make up a believeable lie,I mean reason to my wife for spending another hundred plus dollars on tubes. I'll also see who sells tubes that are matched..
  I want to add that like I said earlier the ghosting is faint and and unless it gets very annoying it's not a big deal so I'm going to approach this as a teachable moment on amp building and troubleshooting...
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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2009, 02:41:51 PM »

Isn't that bias values v high for a JTM45/100?

Here are some replies on the same topic on the metro forum:

http://forum.metroamp.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=16926

Might wanna ask Nik what the plate voltages are, then from there work out the bias values.

For 560V plate voltage on the JTM45/100, at 70% , they recommended 30mA. So first e-mail I'll do is to shoot Nik asking him for recommended bias values on his circuit.
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