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« on: May 14, 2010, 05:45:29 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2010, 03:35:20 PM »

I noticed it a few days ago, and after reading the writeup that is on the website.

I am not too sure what it means by

"In Brownface mode, the tone controls are defeated, giving much more gain. -> Point 1

Our PrinzeTone does have more gain than the stock originals, you can even get some British style crunch when overdriven." -> point 2

From my understanding, point 1 = The amp distorts much earlier in browface mode as compared to blackface mode.

And point 2, is that this amp in blackface mode distorts earlier than the original non-verb '66 princeton?

But what if I need clean volume that is loud enough to be used in a live setting? Or does gain not matter?
In that distortion occurs at the same volume just at different numbers on the dial?

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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2010, 11:13:35 PM »

I noticed it a few days ago, and after reading the writeup that is on the website.

I am not too sure what it means by

"In Brownface mode, the tone controls are defeated, giving much more gain. -> Point 1

Our PrinzeTone does have more gain than the stock originals, you can even get some British style crunch when overdriven." -> point 2

From my understanding, point 1 = The amp distorts much earlier in browface mode as compared to blackface mode.

And point 2, is that this amp in blackface mode distorts earlier than the original non-verb '66 princeton?

But what if I need clean volume that is loud enough to be used in a live setting? Or does gain not matter?
In that distortion occurs at the same volume just at different numbers on the dial?

Moot point.  A Princeton/Princeton Reverb style amp isn't big enough for that. If you want to play clean with a band, you want around 35 watts. 

The BF Non-verb Princeton was more anemic than the Brownface Princeton/BF Princeton Reverb.  It didn't have the PR's extra gain or the more aggressive, lower B+ voltage, lower headroom, more responsive preamp of the Brownface,
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2010, 06:29:39 AM »

Thanks wyatt, actually I forgot to mention by 'live setting', for me it doesn't include anything except a digital piano, sorry about that.

Thanks for the insignt on the differences between the versions. I did read on TDPRI before posting here actually.

It's been mentioned there that an efficient speaker with late breakup will help with clean headroom as well.
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2010, 11:28:03 AM »

I think you need to see this...
http://ceriatoneforum.com/index.php?topic=1749.0

Prinzetone is not just a non-verb BF Princetone clone, it's much more than that...
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2010, 01:48:49 PM »

Wow, thanks.

The graph does say a lot about the difference.

With regards to your own build (I see you couldn't wait Tongue to get your hands on it) :
1) What speakers do you plan on using this with?
2) Did you order a head or combo version? Not sure if there are any differences with the chassis, but in some of Nik's pictures there are differences between the two.
3) How does the chassis mount? Like Nik's tweed twin (From top)? Or the tweed deluxe (from bottom)?

I'm very interested in this amp, but since it does seem to be different from the non-verb BFPs, then... listening to online clips isn't really going to give me a good idea now.
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2010, 02:44:38 PM »

Prinzetone chassis is the same as for the Champ Ultra... I guess you could go either way... head or combo, top mount or bottom depends how you turn the face plate.... I think.

I will definitely go with 12" speaker...which one I still don't know. I have an old UK made Greenback in a box somewhere... I also have one cab with Celestion Gold in it and another one with G12-65. I will try all of them and than I will decide...

I plan on doing some clips but don't wait on me, it's going to take some time before I'm ready.
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2010, 05:00:33 PM »

I don't think you can turn the face plates around to make it mount either way, the words would be inverted right?

I actually prefer it to top mount on a combo cause you can then detach the power cord.

Crap happens and ripping into a speaker cone is something I don't want happening.

I'm actually still thinking how I am going get things set up, if I were to buy a 2x12 cab from nik, it's gonna cost a bomb to get it shipped to me. And I'm local. Pretty cruddy to live in south east asia, to be honest, in respect to guitar gear.
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2010, 07:29:39 PM »

Yes I think you're right...

perhaps something like this is an option...

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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2010, 08:09:20 PM »

I think that would look better if it were wider, maybe in a 2x12 or 1x12 +1x10 cab.

Looking to get this amp in the future. Trying hard not to look at Nik's site. ack.
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