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« on: April 21, 2009, 11:26:09 PM »

has any one used this EF806 from eurotubes?
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The JJ EF806 is a premium version of an EF86 and we could not be happier with its tone and performance! I have been asking JJ for this tube for years now and have always stressed the fact that microphonics must be very low. Well they have pulled thru again! Its quieter than any of my NOS EF86’s and the construction is almost identical to the Telefunken EF86 and it has the same sweet open sound!

It seems a good choice to try on the DC30. Anybody?
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2009, 07:49:10 AM »

Now you've mentioned it I'm going to call and get one from Hotrox today. I'm plagued with 'phonics with my stock EF86 (though only when its VERY loud).
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2009, 02:52:16 PM »

Tried a JJ Ef806 and it is better, but Mark at Hotrox had to test a few to find one that was better than the EH that Nik supplied. He reckons by far the best is a NOS Mullard if you can find one reasonably priced.
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2009, 03:59:42 PM »

I've been so lucky with my EH supplied by Nik. I live in Costa Rica, so my local option limits to some Sovteks I've found on an electronics store. I also have another EH replacement, but untested.
So did you find the sound of the new EF806 somehow similar to the EH? volume, etc?
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2009, 10:23:12 PM »

Haven't had much of a chance to test it to be honest. Rehearsal was a bit hectic. Used channel 1 most of the time, and I had complaints I was too loud so I turned down and then could really only hear the drummer!!!!
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2009, 01:09:27 AM »

hehe... I know what you mean....take your time. But as soon as you can test it let me know...
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2009, 12:04:41 PM »

It sounds good, if anything a little less bright. Its still microphonic, you can still hear it in the background tinkling, but its much less prone to squealing than the EH, though as I said before it was a handpicked example.

I'm going to try modding the mountings of both the valve base and the chassis to see if I can reduce microphonic effects because at the moment its not really useable with the volume turned up loud, fine for most gigs but still, you need to know you can get a bit extra out of it if you need to.
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2009, 02:38:36 PM »

It's your DC30 a combo? Mine is a head, and as I said I've been lucky with my EF86. But also, I usually run the amp on half power and volume not past 9:00, so I am not demanding too much from her...This channel is real loud anyway!  A couple of days ago I did an outdoors gig, and again, the sound guy asked me to lower my volume (it was below 9:00!)...
Do you use any pedal for gain? or just the amp crancked?
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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2009, 08:44:08 AM »

No I've not really used a pedal much, this amp is so repsonsive that I can get pretty much what I need from the guitar volume and channel swapping.

I know it is loud, but I need to know that if needs be I can turn it up without fear of uncontrollable squealing microphonics. I am bidding on a NOS Mullard EF86 after the advice from Mark at Hotrox, as soon as I get one I'll let you know.
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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2009, 03:50:49 PM »

 Cool
I'll be waiting!
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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2009, 01:11:28 PM »

Now in posession of NOS Mullard EF86. Installed it and its seems way better, I've just turned the volume up gradually and slowly and I can get it to MAX with NO squealing microphonic feedback. Previous valve I've tried you can't get past 12:00 and the one supplied by Nik was 10:45ish. These Mullards are still quite plentiful and because so few amps use them the cost is still reasonable, I paid less than the new price of the JJ EF806. I think I will keep the Mullard in reserve for gigs and use the JJ for normal use, and I will keep my eye open for another Mullard.

WIll let you know about the tone later, I'm taking it to rehearsal tonight, man are they going to complain about the volume!!!!!!!
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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2009, 03:16:21 PM »

hywelg- I have to agree with that- I bought two pristine NOS Mullard EF86 on eBay for around £20 which I was very happy about,  Grin I've just tried one against the original Dario Miniwatt (pretty good actually) but the Mullard won by some margin- much more warmth, gain & clarity, but the total lack of microphonics was a revelation- even turning the amp up to full power and banging it fairly hard on the top with my hand produced virtually no microphonics - I'm well impressed!  I have to say the DC30 is one helluva amp for the money! 
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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2009, 03:54:08 PM »

I was at rehearsal last night, I tried the EF86 about 10 o'clock volume, and it was simply amazing. But I still use an sd1/808 to boost it, so I guess that's my luck. Of course I could not get higher volumes, we were on a small room and my amp+drums its a real freq fight on the air!
Gotta try it on higher settings without the pedal, I've found amazingly better than nothing, shame on me I always relied on pedals! I guess I should be scoring for one of those mullards....

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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2009, 04:04:31 PM »

I have to say the DC30 is one helluva amp for the money! 

Got to agree with that. I just need to know now which are the other hidden gems in Niks range? The OTS gets the most interest, but is it the best amp? well its horses for courses naturally, but I love the DC.


Gotta try it on higher settings without the pedal, I've found amazingly better than nothing, shame on me I always relied on pedals! I guess I should be scoring for one of those mullards....


Work the guitar volume knob, this amp is all you need, something I'm not so good at ,  I've tried pedals aswell and still rely on a clean(ish) boost, but I think in time when I master the volume knob technique I'll probably lose most of them.

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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2009, 04:09:22 PM »

Listening to Buddy Whittington today I love his tone, DrZ Maz 38 I think. I wonder how close the DC-30 is to that and indeed how different the 36wattTMB Ef86 is to the DC?. I'd love to hear one, seems to me that I naturally prefer EL84 amps.
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