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American Style => 5E3 Tweed Deluxe => Topic started by: sharp__edge on July 27, 2010, 03:31:47 PM



Title: what is the actual difference between the two channels?
Post by: sharp__edge on July 27, 2010, 03:31:47 PM
it appears that many tweed amps like the Bassman have a bright channel, and a normal channel.

but the 5E3 actually has an instrument channel, and a mic channel.

my questions are:

1) How do these two channels differ in tone?
2) In what other ways do these two channels differ?


Title: Re: what is the actual difference between the two channels?
Post by: wyatt on July 28, 2010, 02:49:00 AM
They are 95% the same.

The only tonal difference is really more a side-effect of how they connect the Tone control, specifically the 500pF cap. 

It adds a tiny bit more high end and output to what traditionally was labeled the Instrument channel (but many, if not most, modern 5E3 makers now mark as "Bright").


Title: Re: what is the actual difference between the two channels?
Post by: Tone Control on August 01, 2010, 08:06:15 AM
in terms of sound they are much more different from each other than modern amps with a bright channel or switch.
The channels interact quite a lot, e.g. when using one of them, turning up the other volume control drastically changes the EQ curve.
On one channel, turning up the tone, the tone rolls off again after 3 oclock, whereas it works as normal on the other channel. these were early bugs in the fender design, which are enjoyed as such by most vintage gear lovers. You can fix these to more resemble modern amps, I found a few fixes when I searched to understand this. I've left mine as-is, why have all your amps work the same way?

see Topic: Volume controls are like toggle switches, to see how controls work

Choosing one of these 2 channels will vary with guitar, mood, day of week.
You can use both at once, but it adds some noise

Cheers
T


Title: Re: what is the actual difference between the two channels?
Post by: cmoore on August 01, 2010, 08:47:56 PM
T.C. -
That is interesting info. There seems to be an infinite number of tone possibilities with a 5E3. Well, not infinite, but a lot. I do not know of any other amp's tone stack that evokes so much mystery/ignorance/frustration/and enjoyment. Greg V does a decent video with a 5E3. All his videos are worth watching. He is a very capable and tasteful player.
Thanks Again TC