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« on: November 10, 2010, 11:44:38 AM »

there's a guy in Dublin selling new combos based on the 5F2-A, but with a diff rectifier, for about $300
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Classic-5-hand-wired-5-watt-princeton-5F2-A-Guitar-amp-/320612068813?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Amplifiers_RL&hash=item4aa5f7edcd
am I looking a gift horse in the mouth here?
Will it sound poor compared to a Ceriatone 12w model?
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Dr Tone Control, Strats mostly, prefer saturated clean tones, a little OD sometimes
BM50, JTM45, 36w EF86, DZ30, Expression, + non-Ceriatones (Matchless, Victoria, Wienbrock)
Just started with pedals a little after a 10 year purist spell, but usually just delay
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2010, 05:04:22 PM »

Well, it's a bit of Apple to Oranges.

Tweed 5F* Princetons are very different than the Brownface/Blackface Princeton that Nik designed the Prinzetone around.

Blackface Fenders have that signature "Fender Tone" we usually think of when we think Fender amps.  Tight low end, scooped mids, good shimmering top end. 

Tweeds, on the other hand have "Tweed Tone"...low headroom; big but loose low end; lots of mids the highs roll off real early.  Tweeds are not Fenders in cooler clothes, if you were to catalog them like biologist do plants and animals, Tweeds would be in the Marshall family.
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2010, 05:23:00 PM »

ahh so the older one 6v6 princetons are like a weaker deluxe? probably no point for me, since I have deluxe covered. A good price though eh?

I have two 5E3 clones/derivatives (tweedy and modernised tweedy) and a Twin II (ultra clean power), so it sounds like a 12w-15w princeton may fit in the middle nicely
I tried a 70s Princeton recently, and it sounded good. Like a less clean, less powerful twin. I wasn't sure f the tweed Princeton was cleaner than the deluxe.
Do all the tweed amps sound similar then?

I wonder would a diff classic fender fit into the gap in my fendery amps better? I really haven't seen the bandmaster, pros, etc around much in England
Something between 12 and 50w, clean but warmer than a twin. Perhaps I should use my BM50 for that
I had a red knob champ 12 once. That sounded very mediocre, I had it modded but even then it wasn't a keeper

I like your analogy with biology
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Dr Tone Control, Strats mostly, prefer saturated clean tones, a little OD sometimes
BM50, JTM45, 36w EF86, DZ30, Expression, + non-Ceriatones (Matchless, Victoria, Wienbrock)
Just started with pedals a little after a 10 year purist spell, but usually just delay
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2010, 03:17:59 PM »

I've looked at a 70s Princeton that's been modded to replace the phase inverter with a better design (to sweeten the distortion)
Is this likely to be as pleasant as Nik's version?
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Dr Tone Control, Strats mostly, prefer saturated clean tones, a little OD sometimes
BM50, JTM45, 36w EF86, DZ30, Expression, + non-Ceriatones (Matchless, Victoria, Wienbrock)
Just started with pedals a little after a 10 year purist spell, but usually just delay
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