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« on: December 22, 2007, 09:48:52 PM »

I don't have a Ceritone clone but one, Express clone, made by Mike Whitney. What I like about this amp is of course the tone but also the fact that it cuts through playing live in a noisy club. I have Matchless DC-30 and JTM 45 clones and these are great starting out a gig but when the place fills up and gets goin' ,  the band starts turnin' up and these amps get buried. Not the TW! So I'm wonderin' if anyone has heard both the Expression and the Liverpull. Do they match up volume wise (talkin' 'bout the Expression with EL34's). Those sound clips are amazing! I would go for one if it has the same ability to cut through all the racket in a noisy joint.
Thanks, Jim.
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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2008, 09:00:38 PM »

I love my liverpull.
It smokes!
Sided by side you may hear a difference, but the Liverpull is very "Expressionlike" to coin a phrase.
They both have that Trainwreck sound for sure.
I chose the Liverpull cause it has a little more flexibility then the Expression.
It growls like an Expression, but it can also be cleaned up, where there option is not so available with the Expression.

I think aot of guys go to the Expression for the el34's. I like el34s but i very much like el84s as well.
The volume certainly is not lacking in the Liverpull. But, the expression is more of a monster if thats what you need.
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2012, 11:55:22 PM »

Sorry to revive such an old thread, but I have something to add to this topic and it should probably be in here. I have built a clone of each a Liverpool and an Express as well as building a Ceriatone DC30 clone.

Volume-wise, I'd say that a Liverpool comes through somewhere about halfway between a DC30 and a full on Express. It's about the same power as a DC30 but because it is voiced like a more lead style amp (just like the Express) it comes through a lot louder in the mix.
The Express does clearly have more headroom than the Liverpool though. It will stay clean longer, but it will also get even more mean and snarly. The Clean-to-Mean effect is perfected in the Express. The Liverpool does it well too, but because the EL34s compress so well when overdriven so the perfectly clean to fully distorted on the guitar volume knob is achieved very efficiently and even more so at the same perceived volume. So, even though the Express seems better at all these things, I still prefer the Liverpool for my tastes just because I generally prefer the chimeyness that EL84s can achieve. A really finely tuned Express with nice glass could sound just as pretty, but as a general rule, I feel like EL84s shine better with single-coil guitars. If I was more a humbucker player, I would probably go for the Express instead.

Now, I've been noticing that that the Liverpool is not so drastically different than the DC30 either, once you use the same speakers. Weirdly enough, I'd compare it to sounding more like the EF86 channel. I feel like the DC30 is somewhere between a Rocket and a Liverpool. The Liverpool can get a lot more aggressive, but I find myself using mine in the bottom third of the gain pot... therefore, my DC30 has been a little easier for me to dial in. (all mine have VVR).
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